eric erikkson, april ryan, white house correspondent and senior political analyst, david gergen. james carville, listening to the speeches it sounds like to jessica's point, like there's been no movement at all and they're kind of talking past each other. >> the democrats can't surrender to somebody. they keep trying to surrender and they say we'll cut medicare, cut medicaid, give you a plan with no tax increases or spending cuts and they keep rejecting it. this thing is a -- the republicans are winning this thing in a route in terms of getting what they want and poor speaker boehner came up with a plan today and as jessica pointed out, the tea party didn't even want that. i think that you can't negotiate if one side is not interested in negotiating. this is like napoleon and moscow in 1812. i don't want to negotiate. there's nothing to talk about here. so i don't know with where this is going to end up. maybe the democrats can find somebody to take the white flag. so far they haven't been able to do it. >> eric, is that how you see it? >> no. i actually think they're closer than

joining us back again is democratic strategist james carville and redstate.com eric erikkson.s wrong with boehner's plan? >> he doesn't have the votes. he can't get the tea party to vote for it. and, according to the president, he doesn't want to revisit this thing during an election year. i'm not sure as a democrat i mind revisiting it during the election year. it seems like the politics for this, is pretty favorable for the democrats. our poll is up 51-30. 21 points is a pretty big lead in american politics with something like this. they think it's bad policy, as do other people, to revisit this. and boehner has the sort of super congress thing in there, some sort of controversy among the tea party about that because they think it will lead to tax increases and all kinds of different things here but hopefully they'll get it worked out because they're playing with some awfully dangerous combustible material here. it could blow up in somebody's face. >> the other thing in boehner's plan they're talking about setting up, yet, another commission, to look at ways to cut spending

we have eric erikkson, the editor of the newspaper there. ric, he says he's not making it official but i'm told by someone close to him, but when you tell the demoine register iowa caucuses come up first, you feel called to run, that's a pretu strong -- pretty strong indicator? >> right. his wife is on record saying he needs to run. he's the first to disagree with his wife and doesn't do it. >> so mimi, the government, who for months said, no, no, not me, no. inching forward, any doubt in texas? >> i don't think there's in doubt in texas. i don't think there's been any doubt since the last gubernatorial campaign when he was obviously starting his presidential bid then. >> you think he was starting early and now all those "nos" were waiting? so eric let's assume governor perry gets in. who in the current field has the most to lose? >> i think probably tim pawlenty has the most to lose given what he has to do in iowa. he has to win in iowa as does michele bachmann. rick perry getting in hurts both of them dramaally. what we've seen throughout p

we have eric erikkson, the editor of the newspaper there. red state.com. artz executive editor of "tex monthly." eric, he says he's not making it official but i'm told by someone close to him, but when you tell the demoine register iowa caucuses come up first, you feel calls to run, that's a pretty strong -- pretty strong indicator? >> right. if he chooses not to run for president to my knowledge he'll be the only republican candidate ever whose wife is on record saying he needs to run. he's the first to disagree with his wife and doesn't do it. >> so mimi, the government, who for months said, no, no, not me, no. inching forward, any doubt in texas? >> i don't think there's any doubt in texas. i don't think there's been any doubt since the last gubernatorial campaign when he was obviously starting his presidential bid then. >> you think he was starting early and now all those "nos" were waiting? so eric let's assume governor perry gets in. who in the current field has the most to lose? >> i think probably tim pawlenty has the most to lose given what he has