back in 2014 l memory watched eric gardner universal ban?rdner be illegally chokehold by the nypd in staten island, we are watching that as one of the first on camera deaths in the country. what we were watching what the police department and other law enforcement agents would argue is that that was not illegal, it was a part of their standard practice, about how they are trained. as the areas have learned over the years but have to be dissected and possibly reforms because seeing how that incident had ended with eric gardner's life gone and no repercussions severally, it took six years for that officer to be disciplined. that particular sequence we saw after george floyd, we see it now, it is still going on. the delay of getting some type of reform happening in these police departments and also unions they have to answer to where they have to answer to where they have to answer to where they have a say in these things. it is a lot of red tape within the smaller and larger departments they have to overcome as well as the politics in the part

the fact that eric gardner said i can't believe, and they ignored him.floyd said i can't breathe. the police officers said if you're talking, you can breathe. and then when frank tyson in ohio says, i can't breathe, as you said, the officer tells him to shut the eff up. i mean, how many more teachable moment dos we have to have where black people lose their lives before police believe black people when they say i can't breathe. >> now, angela, i mean i was outraged when i heard about this, how did you learn about frank's death, and what were you initially told about what happened to him? >> thank you. first of all, reverend al, thank you for having me on your show. the call that i received was from my mom, and she called me and she said he's gone. and i said, who's gone? she said, he's gone, angie, he's gone. and i said who's gone? she was like, frank, frank is gone. and i said what do you mean frank is gone? she was like he's dead, he's dead. i said frank is dead? she was like, he's dead. i said where are you? and she told me where she was. i said, well