it's more to do with stop and frisk than eric garner, right. >> it's part of the same debate. stop and friskss are down because of litigation charging because they were a racist assault on the minority community, there was enormous protests against stop question and frisk, and mayor bill de blasio ran on the idea that the police from engaged in racist behaviour. >> sure. >> you know, after the eric garner verdict he said this is the product of centuries, racism. the whole thing with the product of centuries, he was accusing his own police of being engaged in racist tactics and agd that he worried about his son at the hands of police. that is bad statistics. the police killed eight people last year virtually all armed and dangerous. whereabouts hundreds of new yorkers are caring. >> fear is anecdotal. lots of african-americans told us that they fear the police. most ferns have never been shot by the police what do you do when there's a fear. we are talking about a fear of the response against the police. i hear what you are saying. what we discover in 2015 is a lot of african-a

it came out from supervisors on the scene and showed no contact with eric garner's neck.she saw a choke hold and told us that she told the police department officials who interviewed her that day that she saw a choke hold too. the statement attributed to her is different than the one she said she gave them. >> so if it wasn't for that video there was a chance that version of the truth could be the record. she's also behind the second video that shows how the emergency responders, the ambulance folks came in the medical technicians. supposed to be taken to the hospital right away. what happened in this case? >> from the start the emts who responded knew very little what they were responding to. the call came in as unknown, low priority. they did not know that police officers were involved, they didn't know eric garner's condition was, all conditions that helped them prepare. there were communications breakdowns. the oxygen supplies were not kept by his side, in fact they are carried away from his side by an emt trainee who was on the scene. there are no fire department sup

it's got to do more with stop and frisk rather than eric garner right? >> that could be part of the same debate. stop and frisks were down because cops saying they were a minority assault on the community there was enormous protest against stop and frisk and mayor deblasio ran on the idea that the police were engaged had racist behavior. >> sure. >> you know after the eric garner verdict he says this is product of centuries of racism. he was accusing his own police of being engaged in racist tactics and alleged that his son, he worried about his son every day at the hands of the police. that is simply bad statistics. the police killed eight people last year. virtually all of them armed and dangerous. whereas hundreds of new yorkers are saving -- >> fear is anecdotal lots of african americans have told us they fear the police. most african americans we've spoken to have never been shot by the police but what do you do when there is that real fear? we're talking about a fear of the response against police and i hear what you're saying. but what we're disco

when eric garner cried out 11 different times, i can't breathe.and on 11 different locations a police officer failed to respond. medical examiner says he died as result of sexy asphyxiation. a chokehold had been applied that had been banned by the police department for more than 20 years yet something that the police officer to conclude that eric garner was a threat to his life. no evidence on that videotape that he had resisted arrest. there's something deeper that appears to be taking place as to why some police officers feel the need to use that level of force, particularly when the subject is of a certain race and a certain gender. and if we're going to try to solve this problem we've got to confront it in an open ended evidence-based real way. and the last thing that i would suggest we've got to deal with is the fact that when a police officer crosses the line far to often the criminal justice system fails to hold them accountable. and we've got some actors in the criminal justice system perhaps because of the close relationship between the p

yet something led that police officer to conclude that eric garner was a threat to his life.no evidence on that videotape that he had resisted arrest. there something deeper that appears to be taking place as to why some police officers feel the need to use that level of force particularly when the subject is of a certain race and a certain gender. if we are going to try to solve this problem we have got to confront it in an open-ended evidence-based real way. the last thing that i would suggest we have got to deal with is the fact that when a police officer crosses the line far too often the criminal justice system fails to hold them accountable. and we have got some actors in the criminal justice system perhaps because of the close relationship between the prosecutor and law enforcement who seem unable to fairly and comprehensively present a case before a grand jury that could allow justice to be done. we saw that down and ferguson where it appeared to be that the prosecutor acted more like a defense attorney for officer darren wilson. seemed uninterested in allowing the fa

and that seems to have gotten lost in the eric garner case. this is not a huge crime. an administrative violation, untaxed cigarettes. they say, well he was resisting arrest. there's a man walking backwards saying, don't arrest me. don't arrest me. if that's called resisting. that's sort of a strange idea. and then, to go from there to a choke hold and a takedown and all that followed -- that's the problem. was the lack of common sense of how to follow up. so in the statistics, wish i could go back to. when a black person was stopped he was twice as likely to be frisked than a white person being stopped. the seizure rate was higher with the -- it wouldn't have stopped. >> they were more effective. >> that's right. >> with their perception of cause with white people because they were not being clouded. >> they wouldn't have stopped them so likely. they wouldn't have stopped them so lightly. with a black guy, you know, they stopped him more lightly. got less contraband, less guns more dismissals more force and more frisk. all less on the white population. >> and in this

>> lynn martin on this issue of blue flu, cops refusing to make arrests because of ferguson and eric garnernk about police stop making arrests. >> we have to be careful not to compare peaceful protests with criminality. these communities that historically have been the subject of violence, you're going to have to deal with police safety. >> how should we interpret that were they bad cops. if there are bad cops in police departments, what percentage of bad cops would you say? you talked about good cops but how many bad cops infiltrate police departments percentage wise. >> it's a misnomer that the police department is anything other than representative in the community. whatever is in the community is in the police department. the same type of concerns, you try to test them and weed people out but you do not have 100% success rate. i have found that it's a very small number of officers that are involved in criminal behavior very small number dealing with administrative cases that are serious. but i also found that often it's the repeat offender that just seems to get through the system and h

cops refusing to make an arrest because of baltimore and eric garner will a good stop stop making arrestser is a u.s. marshal. cops that are out there doing constitutional policing will do what they continue to do and make the correct arrests. we have to be careful not to conflate legitimate peaceful protests with criminality, and that is my concern, that the suggestion here is that the communities that have historically been the subject of state violence are part of you are not going to get police officers or you are going to deal with misbehaviour. i don't think you should have to choose. >>> you fired 135 police officers during your tenure how do we interpret that. were they bad cops if they were bad, what percentage are batted cops, you talked about the bad cops, hum infiltrate? >> it's a misnomor for people to bhoef the police is anything other than what is represented in the community. whatever is in the community is in the police department. the same concerns. you test them, weed people out. you do not have 100% success rate. i found it's a small number of officers involved in crim

this is not trayvon martin, michael brown, eric garner or anything like this. this is an out of control pool party. >> when you have the part of the one girl who was really the most disrespectful, coming out and playing the race card, what you see is a direct correlation between her behavior and his behavior. >> i am think of the instant race narrative the minute black kids are involved. >> a man seen here holding a sign has been offering media outlets what he -- he says he called police and told fox news that none of the residents were racist towards the teenagers. >> did you hear any of the residents use any racist terms? >> i didn't hear anything like that. the stuff i was hearing was towards the residents of the pool saying you guys just don't want any black people here and you're racist. >> there was an allegation that a security guard said to those jumping the fence something like, go back to public housing. >> no, i never heard him say anything remotely say anything. >> he said he never heard anything like that. but on monday, i interviewed grace stone,

we all know about grand juries from the ferguson matter where michael brown and eric garner in new york that you don't know what they're going to tell a grand jury how they're going to present it so much. so this is really important that you have this precedent that a judge has found probable cause. so if it comes out different in the grand jury you got to scratch your head. the family is very encouraged by the ruling and most people around their community there in cleveland are very encouraged >> what will your team do if the prosecutor says and as you're saying that the case will now be going to the grand jury elects not to charge the police officers? what are your -- asking for the department of justice to review this matter because it has been over six months now. it's on video. everybody sees what happened there, the question for the family and many in the community is what is taking so loss and that's why the cleveland 8, the local pastors, worked with us to present this to the court because they were very concerned about whether or not there was an attempt to sweep the death of t

suspect that unconscious bias played a role in the deaths of michael brown in ferguson, missouri and eric garner in new york. those are two of the recent cases of unarmed black men dying with encounters with white police officers and they have sparked responses to combat bias in law enforcement. but it's not just cops who play victim. in march, jake ward told us about a u.c. berkeley research. >> the research shows that, not deciding to shoot an unarmed white man sooner and more frequently than aa black man. >> the question is what can be done by unconscious bias? after all it's unconscious. google trained and hired managers to be more aware of the issue. but the work is still out, a new study at northwestern university is taking the idea of conquering unconscious bias one step further. the research shows that it is possible to reduce biases while a person sleeps. but the experiment has alarmed some ethicists. they question whether science designed to change your mind while you sleep could be abused. in a neuroscience lab in northwestern university in evanston illinois, will discover whether leo

eric garner in new york, walter scott in south carolina, freddy gray in baltimore. are those demanding easy answers and scapegoats will not find them here. as a matter of fact, later in the show we will walk in the shoes of a police officer who has to take a split second decision that i hope none of us have to make. the calls do continue as for calls for real transparency and real answers. one problem is a lack of data. from 2003 to 2009, there were almost 5,000 arrest-related deaths but the data is spotty. there's no comprehensive national database where this kind of information is gathered. and a new report by amnesty international found that all 50 states failed to comply with international standards on the use of deadly force, specifically, that lethal force is only used as a last resort. as required by international law. a handful of troubled police departments are volunteering for something called the collaborative reform initiative or cri. philadelphia, baltimore, st. louis, fayetteville, north carolina, and los angeles, have invited the department of justice

cause and, we all know, about these grand juries from the ferguson matter, with michael brown and eric garner, that you don't know what they're going to tell a grand jury and how they'll present it. so this is really important that you have this press is don't that a judge has found probable cause, so if it comes out different, you have to scratch your head, the family is very, very encouraged by the judge's ruling and, most people around the community, in cleveland are very encouraged boy this. >>> brazil is the economic super power of south america a new middle class has risen, and so have murder rates and black brazilians. >>> these self-defense kicks and spins were conceive by the 1600s by black slaves into brazil. they werement to trouble their owners and it was really about defense. >>> now, it's about trying to keep the children alive. >>> goes to play, and tries to give an alternative. we know that our blacks, have more chances of getting killed but we won't give up. >>> despite wide perception of being a fun living society brazil's murder rates are staggering and, according to local

result of case after case of excessive use of force, outrage erupted over deadly incidents including eric garner in new york, walter scott in south carolina, and freddie gray in baltimore. to be clear, the police are not awes to blame. and those demanding easy sans and scapegoats will not find them here. in fact, toward the end of the show we'll walk in the shoes of a police officer that has though make a split second life decision of the type i hope none of us hope to make. the calls for change continue, as do the calls for real transparency and answers. one major problem is a lack of data. from 2003 to 2009 there were almost 5,000 arrest-related deaths much there's no comprehensive national database where this television is gathered. a report by amnesty international found all 50 state filed to comply with international standard on the use of deadly force. specifically that lethal force is only used as a last resort. as required by international law. a handful of trouble police departments are volunteering for something called the collaborative reform initiative, cri. philadelphia, baltimore,

officers reluctant to act in the wake of criticism over the deaths of michael brown in ferguson eric garner in new york, and freddie gray in baltimore. >> cops are backing off of discretionary activity, arrests are down criminals emboldened. it's suggested that an end to two decades of crime in the u.s. - and she points to new york city, where the murder rate rose by 20%, blaming the jump to the court-ordered stop and frisk. new york's mayor bill de blasio responded on the "daily show." >> going pack to an unconstitutional approach is unfair. it ties up a tonne of police crime and energy. >> heather mcdonald's critics are ignoreing the context, like an overall drop in crime. she cherry-picked not mentioning cities. the crime prevention research center compared the 2014 to 2015 murder rate from january to may in the u.s. finding that murders have fallen by 5%, from 871 to 828 >>> renae parks is the former chief of the los angeles, and is a member of the la city council. it is god to talk to you again, sir. the numbers don't seem to show broad nation-wide spike in the murder rate we are used

we know in america from these grand juries from the ferguson matter and michael brown and eric garner in new york you don't know what they're going to tell a grand jury or how delays they're going to present it so it's so important that you have this precedent that a judge has found probable cause. the family of tamir rice is very very encouraged by the judge's ruling. it has been over six months now. it's on video. everybody sees what happened there. the question for the family and many in the community is what is taking so long. and that's why the cleveland 8, the local pastors, worked with us to present this to the court because they were very concerned about whether or not there was an attempt to sweep the death of this 12-year-old child under the rug. >> activists in cleveland used a little-known law to ask the court to order the arrest of the officers. the judge declined though says his decision is only a recommendation. >>> in louisiana, the last of the angola 3 prisoners could walk free later today. this week a federal appeals court temporarily blocked a judge's order demandin

you probably do have communities in the eric garner cares, in the case in ferguson who are wondering why they don't have this legal avenue available to them. >> well, there are a handful of states in the united states that have this kind of law like in ohio. it's important to note that even in those states that do, it's very very difficult to get a judge to be willing to circumvent the typical grand jury process and attorneys even in ohio noted that they knew of no case, precedent where a judge did issue an arrest warrant outside of the grand jury process. >> great to see you, thank you so much. >> an orlando man wants criminal charges filed against two police officers who beat him up. he said he was sitting on the curb when one officer started kicking him and another used a stun gun. a bystander recorded what happened. he has filed an affidavit with prosecutors. florida's department of law enforcement said it is investigating. >> the last of the angola three prisoners could walk three later today. a judge's order was temporarily blocked demanding albert woodfox be released. he was c

and yet the death of eric garner, tamir rice in cleveland, walter scott in north charleston. in baltimore. should make clear for everyone we've still got a long way to go. the principle that was unleashed on this country by the supreme court in plessy versus ferguson of separate and functionally unequal has been abandoned as a result of the brown v. board of education decision. yet, we know that from the department of justice's report, ironically in ferguson we have a criminal justice system for in many communities is separate is separate and unequal. and i think, there's no more of a area where this is the case than in the context of how american communities are policed. and i would just suggest there are three things we've got to think about if we are going to strike the appropriate balance between effective law enforcement on the one hand and a healthy respect for the constitution for civil rights. and for civil liberties on the other. the first is that we've got a problem with overly aggressive policing tactics like stop and frisk and broken windows. that are unleashed in

we talked about this early on talking about with the eric garner case and chanting what do we want?d cops. when do we want it? now. i saw the officer in ferguson who was acquitted because the grand jury refused to indicted him. the feds came in saying there was no hand up don't shoot. he will never be a cop again and can't give us his address because there is death threats. so had natural reaction is why am i getting involved? a if i get a call from a neighborhood that is anti police i will say i will take longer and if i get to there stop a rape or kidnapping and shoot someone who is african-american i could end up there. >> why would i give up my reputation, pension, livelihood if they are not going to have my back. when you look at the stats on stop and frisk. it helped cleanup the city and the proactive policing policies turned the city around from years of progressive failures. and really it benefits the black on black crime. it really helped get rid of that the most. >> you know it is complicated in baltimore because crime is going to change and it is going to be difficult to

think about how ferguson and eric garner and all of these things went down by talking about race so much and that's how we got the hands up, don't shoot which wasn't true because we are looking into the dark heart of a white policeman. we had a conversation about that, but not about power. when you have a conversation about power and who holds it and who is immune to having their behavior checked by anybody whether it is a grand jury or police officer or prosecutor and it is wielded in a way we experience the poor and minority who are hardest hit. >> let's go to the starbucks now. >> give me my soylate. >> a mocha frappuccino is 400 calories. if we go to starbucks shouldn't we have a conversation about type 2 diabetes? getting my name wrong and taking forever is this a good thing? do you want this conversation with the guys behind the counter? >> no, it is a horrible idea. i don't think we should discuss race ever before i have my coffee in the morning. i think you will find some things you will disagree with. no racial talks in starbucks unless you can spell my name right. >> i had andr

this is not trayvon martin michael brown or eric garner or anything like that. >> he said that and afteretting death threats, but wasn't he just telling the

you had the eric garner chokehold that killed that man. >> pool party? >> you are seeing brutality from white police officer on african-american and as kathleen parker conservative columnist wrote, had that been a white girl would she have been treated similarly? i don't know the answer but you want to get to the answer of that. >> in the age of cell phone video, there's always somebody whipping out the phone and capturing this. are we going to cover every local scuffle and every pool involves a police officer and often young kids? >> well i think it's interesting in the civil rights movement it was television that sort of turned the tide in terms of policies that then supported the african-american communities. i think there is a public outcry right now. there's populations that are incensed and people frustrated that it doesn't seem to be changing. it's a trend. only 30% of the black population trusts the police force. 70% of the white population. that's a problem. indicative of a larger conversation. larger issue we're having in our country. invitatio

police on black shootings, you know, the statement that i can't breathe, of course reminding us of eric garnerther case in which that happened, so i think he didn't want to believe it. i feel sorry for family members when they go through this because, you know, you don't know what your younger brother is doing. you don't know what your siblings, you don't know what they're doing in the confines of their home or when off with their friends, so i don't really blame him in that regard. i think he was being hyper defensive. but as we know, the police account is largely validated. >> and we will soon see the video that those other leaders in that community have seen and said corroborated what the police said. always good to see you, thank you. >> thank you. >>> since we are talking about families and families protecting or at least trying to protect, still ahead, lawyer versus lawyer in the case of josh duggar. and the old police reports that came out and were made public and whether they should ever have been made public. the duggars say they want to sue. can they? believe it or not there are two

yet the death of michael brown in ferguson, the death of eric garner in statin island, the death of tamirce in cleveland, the death of walter scott in north charleston, the death of freddie gray in baltimore should make clear for everyone that we still have got a long way to go. the principle that was unleashed on this country by the supreme court in plessy versus ferguson of separate and functionally unequal has been abandoned as a result of the brown v. ward of education decision and yet we know from the department of justice's report ironically in ferguson missouri we still have a criminal justice system that for many people in america in many communities is separate and unequal. and i think there is no more of an area where this is the case then in the context of how american communities are policed. and i would just suggest that there is three things that we have got to think about if we are going to strike the appropriate islands between effective law enforcement on the one hand and a healthy respect for the constitution for civil rights and for civil liberties on the other. the fir

we saw what happened to eric garner and michael brown.ht to believe that you just don't think this prosecutor's office can independently investigate this? >> we have concerns. >> yeah. >> a law -- the action of today. we have concerns. but again, we have come together as community to say we have to stay engaged and keep our voices loud. you know, martin luther king jr. said that direct action created -- policy can't create -- of people holding and speaking power, through power, speaking truth to power, right? and so that is what we're doing. and that is what we want to focus on. and we want to see a criminal justice system that historically has not worked in the most fair, equitable just way for people of color to work, right? and/or for people who are losing lives at the hands of police officers. the police are not above the law. >> rhonda williams, thank you for joining us, that is all for now. rachel madow is next. >> thank you for joining us, when he was running for election in 1992, president george h. bush famously flubbed an answer

jury including five african-americans refused to indict a white police officer in the death of eric garner. and now we have baltimore. six cops hit with charges ranging from assault to second degree murder. after freddie gray suffers injuries in a police van that led to his death. the d.a. calls the arrest illegal and says there was no reason for the police's action. just yesterday "the kelly file" gets hands on a memo showing the d.a.'s office ordered cops to crack down on suspected drug dealers in that very neighborhood. now we know she knew she was the one who sent them out there to round up guys like freddie gray. she had an angry community rioted. police are worried it is not just their lives in the line of fire but also their freedom. >> this is the result that you get. ultimately it does a disservice to the law abiding citizens. it does a disservice to business owners and everybody except the criminal element. >> joining us tonight fox contributor contributor charles krauthammer. kevin, good to see you. here it is. president obama will sweep in and make this a priority in his last m

he showed a picture of dylann roof arrested peacefully beside eric garner being arrested and choked to death in the process. i want to get to dylann roof now. the story of how he got his gun and how he got arrested. eight days after his 21st birthday, law enforcement officials say that dylann roof went to a gun store in columbia, south carolina, 25 miles from his house and legally bought a .45 caliber glock handgun. they said he used the birthday money his parents gave him to buy the gun. he was legally able to buy the gun even though he had a pending drug charge. federal law only prohibits sale of firearms for indictment of felony. according to my police, 67 days later, dylann roof walked in to mother emanuel ame church in charleston with that gun and shot and killed nine people. today, police in north carolina released dash cam video showing the arrest of dylann roof for the murder rampage at mother emanuel ame church. the only sound on that video came from the commercial radio station playing inside of the police car where the dash cam was. that radio and stuff consisted primarily o

when you here about the fergusons of the world, when you hear about the eric garner cases and the controversy. throughout the controversy, the police have been down there, shaking hands, handing out water bottles. the police here are working in partnership with the public to make sure things don't get out of hand. back to you. >> dell, you talked about the crowds out there, and certainly how unified they seem to be. how diverse is it. do you get the impression that most are from the south carolina area or people from the united states coming to pay their respects? >> if anything i can say, it touched nerves up and down the sea board. i don't know if it's further. i talked to a couple that drove five hours in their car from knoxville tennessee. she said she was a christian, and felt the need to do something. she bought flowers, came took a picture of the memorial and wept openly for everyone to see - black, white, she was white. most of the crowd at that time was black, but it is buried from hour to hour. >> dell what kind of crowd are they expecting in the morning. are there plans for an over

all know in america be by these grand juries from the ferguson matter, where michael brown and eric garner in stanton island new york, you don't know what they're going to tell a grand jury. this is really important that you have this present that a judge found probable cause. fit comes out different in the grand jury, you got to scratch your head. the family of tamir rice is very very encouraged by the judge's ruling. most people around the community there in cleveland are very encouraged by this. >> what will your team do if the prosecutor, who says and as you're saying, the case will now be going to the grand jury, elect not to charge the police officers? what are your next steps? >> well, you know there's a civil wrongful dealt lawsuit filed in this matter. however, the department of justice has just enters into a consent decree with the city of cleveland. if the prosecutor does nothing we will ask the department of justice to review this matter. understand it has been over six months now. it's on video. everybody sees what happened there, the question for the family in the community i

they think they'll be the next eric garner or the next michael brown or the next walter scott.thing to do with this. you their girl saying call my mother please.ll my mother. because she understands what could possibly happen to her. >> the girl was no saint either. he told her to leave and she continued to linger. when a cop tells to you leave, get out. i'm believe defending his actions. let me make that clear. >> if you look clearly, there are also white guys stlang with jeans and a khaki shirt. >> just standing there. >> let me get mark to weigh in on the point about how we've gone to the race place on this. >> well first, the police were called by the residents. the residents live there, white and black. i think that's a wash for the response by the police. we've got 11 police officers that aren't being investigated. we have one that's being investigated but he seemed like he was -- i don't know if he was focusing on just black kids. the video is rather narrow in its scope so i don't know that. we don't know those facts yet. but i think it is kind of a leap to go to a racia

he was the -- eric garner. he was the unarmed black man who died after an officer used a chokehold on him in new york city last july. a three-judge court panel will have a hearing today. >>> there's an a voluntary evacuation in low-lying areas in texas. the national weather service says parts of north texas, araskans and oklahoma could get up to nine inches of rain over the next five days. >>> new information this morning about the soccer stadium for d.c. united. take stadium when it moves into buzzard point here in southwest promises to transform the community but we're also learning it could force some of these neighbors out. d.c. right now is in a fierce land battle with a number of property owners in the area. the proposed site is surrounded by some industrial buildings and a couple of low income housing development. according to our partners at wnew, if they cannot reach a deal, the stay may take the property using emmeant dough feign. charles -- emmeant domain. -- eminent domain. they say the city will ge

however, it's worth pointing out in trayvon martin and eric garner and michael brown the autopsy report was released in all three cases. >> is she letting the laurels for the police officers see the autopsy report? >> yes, she is. >> okay. all right. griff, thank you. so should baltimore city states attorney marilyn mosby release the autopsy report to the public. the "on the record" legal panel joins us. ted williams and former prosecutor katie phang. katie, fills to you as a former prosecutor. this prosecutor wants to put a lid on this and gag order essentially on the autopsy report. do you agree or not? >> where's the transparency? as a former prosecutor, if you have nothing to hide and frankly because it's a criminal case, you have to show everything. so the fact that she is not releasing this autopsy report suggests that there is something about the medical results that came from the m.e.'s office that would actually support the defense's case. i think it's better for her to just release it. let the public see what happened to freddie gray and then let the evidence lead to the ultim

in the michael brown case and the eric garner case, the grand juries did not bring charges. and here we are waiting to the see, paul, what happens here. but in the case of freddie gray a baltimore grand jury did indict the six officers even after the prosecutor had already charged. they did bring charges. does the rice family have reason to trust the grand jury process, paul? >> the grand jury, yes, reverend. the prosecutor? that remains to be seen. look, i've been before grand juries hundreds of times. the prosecutor is the legal adviser. the defense attorney isn't in the room. the grand jury basically does what the prosecutor wants it to do. so if there is not an indictment in this case don't blame the grand jury. blame timothy mcginty, the prosecutor in cleveland. >> well you know a judge in new york used to say you could indict a ham sandwich if you wanted to. but the reverse is true. you could not indict him if you don't want to. but the fact that it took four minutes, judge faith, four minutes to get medical attention after they shot him, will that factor in? >> oh abs

we said it with eric garner, trayvon trayvon. we said it with rodney king.ut the source of the problem. the source of of this is white supremacy. until we address that as a structural thing, as an ideology and a cultural practice we will have these circumstances. >> thanks to both of you. >>> the shooting suspect with what looks like a wealth of evidence against him. what will be his defense? will he face death? the big question. >>> breaking news on the new york manhunt for the two convicted killers. the sheriff leading the hunt will be "out front." we will be right back. listen up team i brought in some protein to help rearrange the fridge and get us energized! i'm new ensure active high protein. i help you recharge with nutritious energy and strength to keep you active. come on pear it's only a half gallon. i'll take that. yeeeeeah! new ensure active high protein. 16 grams of protein and 23 vitamins and minerals. all in 160 calories. ensure. take life in. so this beauty can be yours with a down payment and 10% financing. oh larry, lawrence. thanks to the

to give an example, the eric garner case. they didn't get a grand jury indictment. the feds are now looking into the violation of civil rights. >> i want to alert viewers that what you see on the left side of your screen is what we're waiting for, the alleged suspect come in for his first court hearing. it may be swift, it may not be but the judge has two things to think about. risk to citizens in the community, yes or no. and is this particular person alleged murderer a flight risk. we'll be seeing that live as it happens. in the meantime let's talk a little about roof's criminal history. february 28 arrest ford possession of illegal narcotics, april 26 charged with trespassing in a mall parking lot. let's go back to nick now, an attorney here. how does this factor at all into this particular phase of what we're doing now? >> because the crimes are so substantially different, they're mostly minor crimes, trespassing, he acted very strangely in one of the stores possession of illegal narcotics. it was a prescription drug that he didn't have a prescription for. i don

we saw it in ferguson, we saw it with eric garner in new york city. this is not just racial issues, you can talk about gay marriage and a number of other things where we don't do enough of trying to once other people are coming from and trying to be good human beings before we exert our political points. >> if anyone's watching this out there who's a republican consultant, you should hire jack hunter to talk to your candidates. jack hunter, a great pleasure, thank you very much for coming on. >> thank you, chris. >>> what we really need to know about the confederate flag has as much to do with the 1960s as the civil war. we'll explain next. >>> plus, good numbers for hillary clinton whose campaign continues to surprise observers with how it's trying to win the white house. >>> and hillary clinton isn't the only one getting good polling numbers there's trump, yes, donald trump. stay with us. how do you get to the top of your game? give it everything you've got and leave those sticky sunscreens behind. new neutrogena cooldry sport. powerful protection d