we have taken this long to see any action on the eric garner case, so hopefully moving forward we will pay more attention. host: associate professor of sociologist baruch college at new york city-cuny. thanks for being part of our conversation. guest: thank you for having me. host: we are joined by shawn harper, from the west coast, with the university of southern california. we have been going across the country this morning, talking about relations, race relations and maybe more specifically police and community relations. give us a sense of how things are in the southern california region, on race relations? guest: thank you for having me. before i answer that question, i want to respond to something that a previous caller said in w e withe equated crim black people and suggested the reason there was no crime in his community was that there were no black people. i think that is part of the problem here. associations,e implicit and explicit associations of black people with crime. the realities and facts are that poor people are more likely to commit crimes than are black people. peo

. >> he says the department increased tactical training after the 2014 death of eric garner in an officer race problem in police departments across the country? >> listen, is it -- certainly. i think there are issues around race that are palpable in this country. we have not had the kind of conversation we should have around those conversations. >> even in police departments? >> especially if police departments. >> especially? >> yeah, i think so. >> no justice, no peace. >> protesters have called for police regular forms following a series of high-profile shooting deaths of black men. including michael brown in ferguson. olt ton sterling in baton rouge. >> put your hands up. >> and this past june, they'reman blevins in minneapolis. the addition of implicit bias training was among the recommendations of presidential task force made in 2015. 85% of law enforcement training acad nays participated in a new survey say they have increased that training for recruits while 66% added training for existing officers. though less than a fourth of all u.s. police academies responded to the survey. >>

he wore a tie stitched with the names, eric garner, tamir rice, sandra bland, akai gurley, freddie gray, walter scott, alton sterling, trayvon martin and other victims of police brutality or white vigilante violence. this is nfl star randy moss, speaking in an interview after the ceremony. randy moss: i wanted to be about the families let know that they are not alone. i am not here voicing the names on my tie. for thea big platform pro football hall of fame. there is a lot of stuff going on in our country and i want to let these families know that they are not alone. oregon, hoursnd, into the protest, police sprayed the anti-fascist with pepper spray. in washington, d.c., the metro rail system's largest union and its workers would not participate in a proposed plan to run separate trains for white supremacists of planning to attend a unite the right rally. after the rail workers union plan, they said they were no longer considering the to protect racist protesters on the anniversary of the charlottesville white prprotest. today marks the 73rd anniversary of the united states' atomic bom

eric garner shouldn't have been selling cigarettes, sterling shouldn't have been selling cds. we are in a country right now we are proud of our judicial system. we will say you are innocent until proven guilty but the public makes an allowance and an officer kills somebody, you know, you can't say innocent until proven guilty. but to be the judge executioner on straight. >> host: i will go back home in brooklyn, central brooklyn and the neighborhood and folks will comment on the fact that this disbelief that had barack obama done a fraction of the thing donald trump has done as president or on his way towards the presidency he would run out of 1600 pennsylvania avenue. >> guest: you can't prove a negative that anybody that doesn't know that the true is either being the truth or a lie. you understand he would be held to a different standard. i described donald trump his antics, his personal things he has done a u.s. where society epitomizes what barack obama would be. it's everything he swore he would be. he's ignorant, belligerent, impetuous, promiscuous, he's a wire and they

birthday party to make a statement that she was with the movement, and she comforted the family of eric garneri will never forget the funny story, andrea, she called me a couple of years ago and said, reverend al, what's your home address, she sent a check for the action network. i told her a couple of months later, i framed that check because you signed it. she said, boy, you better put that check in the bank. haven't you ever heard that you can copy a check? she was the tallest tree in the musical kind of forreest. but she never left her roots. that's the legacy she would want people to know. >> and of course the huge influence of her father and his tragic death during a robbery. i mean, he was such a major force. she wrote, put ms. franklin at the top of the rolling stone -- one of the greatest singers of all time. in tribute, mary j. blige wrote, "aretha is a gift from god. when it comes to expressing yourself through song, there is no one who can touch her. she is the women why women want to sing." roland martin, that makes me think about "natural woman," maybe my favorite song. >> it's i

a movement was started that came about a week after eric garner di died. grass roots community were already energized months or years before. what victory chose four years later that activism can have results if it is focused and persistent. >> and we think about all this week is the anniversary in 1965 of the voting rights act which is under attack and so many jurisdictions and what we are seeing and what we'll see this weekend and we'll talk about more tomorrow in the program is charlottesville, one year later. >> yes. >> this weekend of another rally here in washington, d.c. >> white nationalists who are going to charlottesville in the community still dealing with the results of the horror. >> it is an election year where race is being used as a wedge issue and a device. it is gallivvanizing forcing on each side. on the flip side you are seeing others embolded n to hold ralli ahead of this. this is the racial divide that's wider than ever in 2018. >> the difference between ferguson four years ago and america today, ferguson four years ago had a presiden

most stood out is that when we were walking out, because this was in middle, we were fighting the eric garnert coming to your birthday today. she was very politically aware of what she was doing and what she wanted to weigh in and what she wanted to support and what she didn't. i'm talking about decades. i'm talking about from the '60 when she was very young all the way up to those of us active in that civil rights phase now. >> we talk obviously whenever anyone of stature dies we talk about their legacy. lessons, as you think about the way that she handled her commitment to civil rights and as is he showed her passion for her home town of detroit and stayed close to the people that mattered to her. as she reached out as we heard to young women, who were journalists or young women -- black women of achievement, to offer encouragement, what's the lesson to be learned when people reach a certain level of fame, of wealth, of influence, about how she handled herself and how she could show others how to handle that. >> i think the legacy is that she probably is the greatest female vocalist of all

eric garner shouldn't have been selling loose cigarettes. but none of these things are punishable by death as far as i know. there's a situation now where we are proud of our judicial system. we will say you are innocent until proven guilty but the same allowance isn't given when an officer kills somebody. you can't say you're innocent until proven guilty but then say the officer killed him because he was committing a crime. he'ssupposed to get his day incourt, not be the judge, jury and executioner on a shoot . >> host: many of the neighborhoods i represent i will go back home in brooklyn , the brooklyn bed sty neighborhoods and full will comment on the fact that there is this belief that barack obama if he done a fraction of the things that donald trump has done as president or on his way to the presidency he would been run out of 1600 pennsylvania avenue fourth with . i don't think, obviously you can't prove a negative but anybody who doesn't know that to be true is either being obtuse or well-formed. you absolutely understand he would be

eric garner shouldn't have been selling loose cigarettes. sterling should have been selling cds, but none of these things are punishable by death as far as i know. we live in a country now where we are proud of our judicial system that will say you are innocent until proven guilty, but the same public makes an allowance when an officer kill somebody. you can't say you are innocent until proven guilty, but didn't say the officer killed because they were committing a crime. can't say those things. you are supposed to get your day in court, not be the judge and jury and executioner on the street. >> host: meaning of the neighborhoods that are represented, i will go back home in brooklyn, central brooklyn, folks will comment on the fact that there's this believe that had barack obama done a fraction of the things that donald trump has done as president, or on his way towards the presidency, he would've been run out of 1600 pennsylvania avenue forth with. >> guest: i don't think, obviously you can't prove a negative, but anybody who doesn't know

joining us specifically to talk about where things stand and that of eric garner. rate the state of race relations and police relations with the community in new york city? guest: we definitely continue to have problems there. with the case of erica garner, it's connected to one of the big issues in new york city, gentrification. erica garner was killed in an aria -- area of staten island where developers are very much interested. in new york, leasee a lot of stories about the remote gentrification, real estate development. things like landlords not doing repairs on apartments, turning up the heat, making living conditions terrible so that tenants leave. [inaudible] [indiscernible] and trump is certainly in support of these real estate product -- practices. he and his father were sued in the 1970's for racially coding the applicants of the people to live in their apartment building. they would put a c if it was a person of color. if he has any influence on this, it's going to worsen. host: this echoes some of the comments we have heard this morning about not only r

eric garner was killed in st. george, an area of staten island right next to the ferry to manhattan. developers are very much interested in that. in new york, we see a lot of stories about the tactics used to promote this gentrification and real estate development. things like landlord's not doing repairs on apartments, turning off the heat, making living conditions unbearable for tenants to leave. he and others -- like him -- [no audio] trump is certainly in support of these real estate practices. he and his father in the 1970's racially for profiling, putting the letter c if it was a person of color looking to get into their apartment buildings. host: some of the comments we andd this morning, racism, the plight of the middle class, people not just talking about income levels, but in one case neighborhoods causing white flight, and those middle-class people being forced out of their neighborhoods in cities like baltimore and such. sounds like a similar situation in new york city, that this spreads beyond just be