a statue by sculptor and typographer eric gill sits outside the bbc‘s broadcasting house.to stop using the ubiquitous gill sans typeface? for some, kevin spacey‘s house of cards is the most pressing application of this issue. production has stopped on the latest series, but if they finished making it, would as many people want to watch it as in previous ones? joining me in the studio to discuss is the writer and guardian columnist lucy mangan, and writer and sociology professor at birmingham city university, kehinde andrews. kehinde, can i ask you, let us take the house of cards, it is one i have heard people talking about, what would be be your stance on that? in terms of this debate you have to understand you can't separate out the art from the artist, in the same way you can't separate out racist theorists from racist theory, you can't separate out the idea you have people who are sexual predators from producing work that has created what we call rape culture, these two things go hand in hand and they can't be separated out, especially in this case. i take it you think,

my friend eric how are you today. this is the famous gill errands. so good to hear your voice. it is great to hear you and see on television. thank you for your work in the discussion you are having around the whole german nazi issue. every german during that time if you wanted to buy bread and you have to have a nazi card. it wasn't really a matter of choice. the thing that i would love for you to talk about is the notion of you touched about it briefly binary choices and where i live here in northern california in the bay area there is a growing population of people who call themselves progressives and it seems to me that term has been hijacked to the point that it's at the exclusion of god. the notion of yes we are making our culture and society better. it is to include everything except god is the focal point. and most important thing in our lives about how progressives are co-opting and hijacking. what it means to be alive. and working in god's kingdom. as eric will knows my grandfather was also in the german military. one of those that was in the german resistance. he was