her explanation is that the he in this text wasn't the president, but rather it was eric herschmann. take a listen to her testimony. >> when you wrote i suggested it several times and it presumably means that the president say something about being nonviolent, you wrote i suggested it several times monday and tuesday and he refused. tell us what happened. >> sure, i didn't speak to the president about this directly, but i communicated to people like eric herschmann that it was my view that it was important that the president put out some kind of message in advance of the event. >> and what was mr. herschmann's response? >> mr. herschmann said he had made the same, you know, recommendation directly to the president, and that he had refused. >> so i understand, mr. herschmann said he had already recommended to the president that the president convey a message that people should be peaceful on january 6th and the president had refused to do that? >> yes. >> the public will be able to review this in the transcripts and see the perspective eric herschmann gave before we took her testimony

and there was an illusion to the fact that eric herschmann may not have said the same thing.re of recollection. two people can say things that are different but what you're looking for is can you jam somebody up who is being less than candid, where they give you a little but not everything. because most people don't just walk in and say, here's the truth. as claire and joy and i know, like the way you get people to flip is you build a criminal case on them, and top of the list for any prosecutor has got to be mark meadows, now, there's an illusion in the report that he may in fact be cooperating with doj, but if he's not, that is the person that you are looking to build a case on, and then if you can't make it on him, you look for people below that, like tony ornato from the secret service. he seems to be in a whole lot of hot water. that's somebody again you're going to build a case and flip him so he needs to tell the truth. >> we're going to come back to the mark meadows thing that andrew mentioned because it's deep in the executive summary that would not have approved of.

with people like eric herschmann, that it was my view that it was important that the president put out some kind of message, in advance of the event. >> and what was mr. herschmann 's response? >> mr. harshman said he had made the same recommendation, directly to the president, and that he refused. >> just so i understand, mr. herschmann said that he's already recommended that the president, convey a message -- and the president had refused to do that? >> yes. >> there are also new details presented by zoe lofgren, who described evidence of what sounded an awful lot like witnessed tampering or. >> one lawyer told a witness, the witness couldn't certain circumstances, tell the committee that she can recall facts, when she actually did recall them. not, lawyer also did not disclose who is playing for the lawyers representation. or -- he told, are quote, we're not telling people where funding is coming from, right now, we've learned that a client was offered potential employment. -- as the date of her testimony approached, by entities that were apparently linked. by donald trump inner ass

her explanation is that key in this -- "he" was eric herschmann. a listen. >> the chair recognizes the gentlewoman from virginia for an opening statement. >> use of the threat about president trump's dereliction of duty. from the outset of the violence and for several hours that followed, people at the capitol, people inside president trump's admistration, elected officials of both parties, members of president's own family, and even fox news commentators were sympattic to presidentrump, try to contact the white house to urge him to do one singular thing, that one thing that all of these people immediately understood was required, instruct his supporters to leave the capitol. the president repeatedly refused as he watched the violence at the capitol on television. during the day the president never spoke with national guard, the department of defense, the department of justice, or any law enforcement agency. at no point during the day or any other did he issue any order to deploy any law enforcement agency to assist stop multiple witnesses, includi

former trump white house lawyer eric herschmann spoke of the feverish atmosphere in the white house asated exchanges with trump's allies. what they were proposing i thought was nuts. the theory was also completely nuts. it was a combination of italians and germans, i mean, different things that were floating around as to who was involved, i mean, hugo chavez, the venezuelans. he was not the only republican official to question what was happening. the committee heard that other in the former president's former circle did not support his plans. i told them that the stuff his people were shovelling out to the public were... wa �* the claims of fraud were bleep. armed with these false narratives, trump and his allies began trying to overturn the results of the election... ..firstly by putting pressure on officials in states he had lost, like georgia and arizona. thank you, please be seated. rusty bowers, republican speaker of the arizona house of representatives, told the committee that he received a phone call from president trump and rudy giuliani, who was part of the president was my pe

i didn't speak to the president about this directly, but i communicated with team like eric herschmann was important that the president put out some kind of message in advance of the event. >> and what was mr. herschmann's response? >> he said that he had made the same, you know, recommendation directly to the president and that he had refused. >> just so i understand mr. hershman said that he had already recommended to the president that the president convey a message that people should be peaceful on january 6th and the president had refused to do that? >> yes. >> the public will be able to review this in the transcripts and see the perspective eric hi hershman gave. president trump gave an incendiary speech declaring without basis that the election had been stolen and encouraging his supporters to fight like hell, and during the speech and immediately thereafter president trump stated his intention to travel to the capitol with his supporters in an effort to influence the joint session. the select committee has developed evidence indicating that president trump did in fact intend to

meeting in the oval office, donahue, white house counsel pat cipollone, and white house lawyer eric herschmann, strongly objected to the opponent -- appointment of jeffrey clark as attorney general. he pleaded his case and offered to send the letter he had drafted to white house -- >> john eastman admitted enough fans of the 2020 election that mike pence could not lawfully refuse to count official electoral votes. but he nevertheless devised a merit-less proposal that deployed a combination of bogus election fraud claims and the fake electoral ballots to say that mike pence, presiding over the joint session, could reject legitimate electoral votes for president elect biden. >> for 187 minutes, he actively disregarded his constitutional obligation to take care that the laws are faithfully executed. as we have established through months of investigation, that is because the mob wanted what president trump want it, to impede the peaceful transition of power. at 601 p m, the trump in his last tweet of the day -- pugh did not condemn the violence. instead, he attempted to justify it. these are the

. >> i didn't speak to the president about this directly but communicated to people like eric herschmann is was my view it was important that the president put out some kind of message in advance of the event. >> and what was mr. hirschmann's response >> mr. hirschmann said he had made the same recommendation directly to the president, and that he had refused. >> so both women also testified ostensively to trump knowing he lost but not wanting other people to notice and i'm not a psychologist i don't really know in what world he thought other people wouldn't notice he was an outgoing president, claire, but the voluminous amount of people who had incredible ins mayes with donald trump and his inner and outer words and thoughts is just staggering. >> there were several places in this report that the prosecutors in me said i want this to be a memorable moment in front of the jury i want to draw this picture and let it sit with the jury for a moment the new evidence that really struck me was that he was told at 1:21 that they had cut his speech off of tv because they were rioting at the capi

people like eric herschmann, his attorney who are arguing against some of these more outlandish ideas rather colorful language what would happen if they pursue, them ece as you pointed out, jared kushner, that email is fascinating. there's so many rich details that they have compiled for history that will be looking through these i think for days weeks and even years to come. >> yeah. even more than 150 transcripts have been collected. over 1000 remain under wraps before the committee and it dissolves on tuesday. so, peter, does this testimony fill in crucial gaps for doj investigators? yes, they have been conducting their own interviews, but do we know if the 16 committee has done a little bit of work for them if they care to accept it? >> it's a great question. we don't know of course how many people justice -- has interviewed. we don't know if they have covered the same gamut of people that the committee did. but the committee has done extensive work. such extraordinarily comprehensive research into this that you have to imagine there are things in there that just, that hasn't been

>> i didn't speak to the president about this directly, but i communicated it to people like eric herschmann that it was my view that it was important that the president come out and say in advance of the event. >> what was his response? >> mr. herschmann said that he would make the recommendation directly to the president. he had refused. >> just so i understand, mr. herschmann said he had already recommended to the president and the president -- and the president refused to do that? >> yes. >> the president had refused to that. again, long term trump employee and advisor hope hicks saw her testimony for the first time. on that point of trump being told, essentially being begged to tell people to stop being violence on january 6th, the investigators today released a sort of unexpected finding. an interesting finding about why they believe the capitol was not better protected by law enforcement agencies on the day of the attack. this is from the introduction to the report. this written introduction, hundred 44 pages that was released by the investigation today. they said quote, neither the i

>> sure, i did speak to the president about this directly, but i communicated to people like eric herschmannt it was important that the president put out some kind of message in advance of the event. >> what was his response? >> mr. herschmann said that he had made the same recommendation directly to the president. and he had refused. >> just to understand, mr. herschmann says that he has already recommended this to the president and people should be peaceful on january 6th, and the president refused to do that? >> yes. >> he said you talk to the president the next day, tell us about that conversation. >> i don't think it was very long. i just said it was a terrible day, i'm working on a long statement. i said it's crazy. >> what did he say? >> no, these people are upset, they are very upset. >> the people he said he loved in his message on the sixth, now he's talking about pardoning if he is elected president again. >> jake, there's also the question of how the committee's actions are going to be received and what their full report, which by the way is due wednesday, what exactly is going t

to me was that she for one, had told donald trump or had conveyed to the white house through eric herschmann, that she believed that donal trump plan to put out statement before january 6th calling for peace. that donald trump had rejected that. she said she asked for this severa times. so, there is a clea concern, ahead of january 6th, that this could be violent this could be a bad idea, that someone high up in the white house knew it could be a bad idea, and that donald trump di not want to put out such a statement. then, there is some evidence where she is watching the violence unfold, and i texting people about it, and she says, we all look like domestic terrorists right now. she's going back and forth, an text messages with herschmann, saying things like, this i totally regrettable, thi could've been prevented, and he's agreeing with her. thos are top, white house people, lamenting, in realtime, as the see a democracy falling apar in this attack on the capito by the president they ar supposed to be serving. so, thought that was a revealing window, and after that, started on pat cipollon

here is what pence had to say this week and what we previously heard from white house lawyer eric herschmannould hope that they would not bring charges against the former president. look, as i wrote in my book, i think the president's actions and words on january 6th were reckless. but i don't know that it's criminal to take bad advice from lawyers. >> he started to ask me about something dealing with georgia and preserving something potentially for appeal. and i said to him, are you out of your effing mind. i said i only want to hear two words coming out of your mouth from now on. orderly transition. i said i don't want to hear any other effing words coming out of your mouth no matter what other than orderly transition. repeat those words to me. >> what did he say. >> eventually he said orderly transition, i said good, john, now i'm going to give you the best free legal advice you're ever getting in your life. get a great effing criminal defense lawyer, you're going to need it. >> and of course he does need it now, and they all need it, and they're all pleading the fifth. as donald trump wo

i didn't speak to the president about this directly, but i communicated people like eric herschmann that it was my view that it was important that the president put out some kind of message in advance of the event. >> and what was mr. herschmann's response? >> mr. herschmann said that he had made, you know, the same recommendation directly to the president and that he had refused. >> just so i understand, mr. herschmann said that he had already recommended to the president that the president conveyed a message that people should be peaceful on january 6th, and the president had refused to do that? >> yes. >> gene robinson, the people closest to donald trump, as i said earlier, his family members, don jr., ivanka and we see here hope hicks who was like a family member for six, seven years. everyone telling him to stand down. his lawyers telling him to stand down. everybody, there was of course -- there was his lawyer who was asked, was there any staff member, any staff member that wanted the protests/riots to continue, and his lawyer said, no, of course not. so the president was alone and