from eric hershman he brought into the trump white house after his particularly bombastic performance as a trump impeachment defense lawyer. >> as a combination of italians and germans different things floating around as to who was involved. and affidavit from somebody who says they wrote a software something with the philippines. just all over the radar. i thought, the dominion stuff was -- i never saw any evidence whatsoever to sustain those allegations. what they were proposing i thought was nuts. the theory was also completely nuts. right is this. >> that's trump white house lawyer eric hershman, part of his deposition testimony to the january 6th investigation. you can tell he's a trump lawyer because he has a baseball bat on the wall behind him that says justice on it. that's the kind of hot sauce trump likes in a lawyer, right? but in this case he's not defending trump anymore. he's not saying impeach trump, no. go back in time and impeach obama. this time, this time, he's taking a part what he depicts to the january 6th investigators as just the stupidity in his characterizati

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and this was not well received very clearly by eric hershman who has become a recurring role in these hearings as a brash talking expletive laced former white house official when you boil it down to the simplest terms found all of the proposals to be insane, that is the language that he used. >> wow. >> but yesterday night, after votes, we caught up with a bunch of the gop lawmakers who mostly remain silent about their request for pardons. but also marjorie taylor greene who was one of the names that cassidy hutchinson who had heard who had asked for a pardon said that people who are unfairly prosecuted ask for pardons just look at julian assange. >> reaching there. barbara, let me ask you about this quote that so many people have zeroed in on from the hearing yesterday came from richard donoghue, the former acting assist attorney general who said this of donald trump, quoting him, had notes that he took during a phone call with the former president. he quoted the president as saying, what i'm asking you to do is just say it was corrupt, and leave the rest to me and the republican con

and eric hershman gave to john eastman the day after january 6th. >> i only want to hear two words coming out of your mouth from now on -- orderly transition. i don't want to hear any other words coming out of your mouth, no matter what, other than orderly transition. repeat those words to me. eventually, you said orderly transition. good, john. now, i'm going to give you the best free legal advice you're ever getting in your life, get a great criminal defense lawyer. you're going to need it. >> pence's form er counsel and retired judge and adviser to pence. both men had vised the former vice president he had no authority to overturn the election results. i want to turn, now, straight away the political analyst alex burns and john martin, both correspondents for "the new york times." they're the co-authors of the book "this will not pass." thank you for coming on. good evening to you. we have new photos obtained by abc news, showing pence hiding on january 6th. he's across from his daughter. his wife closing the curtains while the attack was under way. this comes as the committee was maki

. >> that is trump white house lawyer eric hershman telling john eastman to lawyer up, scott. i mean, that's pretty significant. >> yeah. donald trump at the end of his political life there in this campaign anyway had two kinds of people in his life. people telling him the truth and then, you know, sort of professional, political people, and seemingly clear eyed about this and then he had people who were bat poop crazy and he chose poorly and drank from the wrong cup. you see what happens here. honestly, it's been quite obvious from this testimony that there were plenty of people saying, look. this is not what you think it is. you've lost. he had the correct advice and he went venue shopping and found people telling him really bad things and now a lot of these people, i don't know if they'll ever nab trump but some of these people feeding him stuff are clearly in trouble. they deserve it. they did a bad thing. i don't feel bad for him at all. >> making the point that he said there were republicans fighting against each other. this is really trump's inner circle, the people clo

abc news is reporting former trump lawyer eric hershman claims he wrote the note.in. >> as a journalist and as an american, i would like more corr robber raise for the story. now it's hearsay. somebody saying this is what i heard. >> we're not in a court of law and we're not charging anybody with any particular offense. >> so we'll have to wait and see if the secret service agents do get to testify. we're not expecting another hearing until the house reconvenes july 11th. martha? >> martha: they should be given the opportunity to say what their side of the story is. they have testified in the past. now there's this discrepancy, it would behoove them to have an opportunity to clear it up. thank you. thanks very much. so georgia governor brian kemp accusing stacey abrams of putting families at risk by advancing the defund the police movement. more than 100 georgia sheriffs have joined kemp in condemning abrams for being on the board of a group that they call anti-police. accusing the governor -- abrams accusing the governor of lying. >> i do not believe in defunding

today that i thought of brian and you, which was a conversation that trump white house attorney eric hershmanas pushing this theory that helped incite and inspire the crowd that day. let's play that clip of him describing his conversation with john eastman. >> i said, you're going to turn around and tell 78 plus million people in this country that your theory, this is how you're going to invalidate your votes because you think the election was stolen? they're not going to tolerate that. i said you're going to cause riots in the streets. and he said, words to the effect of, there's been violence in the history of our country to protect the republic. >> what is your response when you hear about that attorney, according to this account, dismissing the riots in the street that happened? >> it's reprehensible. you know, he knew that was going to cause an uproar, and he didn't care. he didn't care how much bloodshed was going to spill or happen that day. and said screw it, i'm going to do it anyways. a lot of people knew. i was actually more moved on the first hearing with a lot of the testimony th

. >> we just heard the clip from the former white house attorney eric hershman describing the conversation he had with john eastman. eastman is at the center of the plan with pence to not certify the election. your committee is assembling of what led up to in the days leading up to the insurrection. >> well, it's critical. all of these things do fit together like a jigsaw puzzle. we just discussed the money component to it, which was central, because donald trump was raising huge amounts of money, and he didn't want to it stop. and you could see even from the report you just made, that money continued to go to different members in his political entourage, including mark meadows and others who were still supporting the trump political network. but, you know, eastman really was the final card that they played, the so-called base sweep. essentially to deny and overthrow the electoral college majority that joe biden had assembled. and to overthrow that required vice president pence to step outside of his proper constitutional role and function and declare unilateral lawless powers to nullify e

the gravity of these issues, here is a clip of one of president trump's own white house lawyers eric hershman talked to mr. eastman the day after january 6th. >> it was the day after eastman -- i don't remember why -- he called me or texted me or called me and wanted to talk with me. he said he couldn't reach others. and he started to ask me about something dealing with georgia and preserving something potentially for appeal. and i said to him, are you out of your fing mind? right? i said i only want to hear two words coming out of your mouth from now on. orderly transition. and then i scream, i don't want to hear any other fing words coming out of your mouth no matter what other than orderly transition. repeat those words to me. and i screamed -- >> what did he say? >> eventually he said orderly transition. i said good, john. now i'm going to give you the best free legal advice you're ever getting in your life, get a great fing criminal defense lawyer. you're going to need it. then i hung up on him. >> a compelling tease to be sure. and we expect to learn more tomorrow when the panel hears f

all this something that apparently eric hershman at least saw coming a file away back in 2020 saying you're going to need a good lawyer. >> a lawyer in the white house was saying that. laura, so one of the things that kamg out of the last hearing was this allegation or suggestion by the committee of possible financial infractions by the trump campaign for raising money for a legal defense fund and not spending the money on legal defense. now we understand there might be an investigation though not a federal one into some of this. >> they called it the big ripoff and the whole idea was that donors, small donors, thought that they were donating to this fund to actually fund the lawsuits all of the lawsuits that went nowhere ultimately but that's what they thought that the money was going to when in fact the money was going nowhere close. as you said to the do you know of $250 million. so now the attorney general here in new york is investigating and she calls the revelations from the january 6th committee disturbing, she says it's my duty to investigate allegations of fraud or potentia

for example, is white house lawyer eric hershman. his view was shared. all right.ing live. >> testimony this morning, the january 6th committee holding its second public hearing. we're going take a quick break. if you want to watch this uninterrupted, though, we are streaming this in its entirety on our website. kron 4 dot com. we'll be right back. wanna help kids get their homework done? well, an internet connection's a good start. but kids also need computers. and sometimes the hardest thing about homework is finding a place to do it. so why not hook community centers up with wifi? for kids like us, and all the amazing things we're gonna learn. through project up, comcast is committing $1 billion dollars so millions more students can continue to get the tools they need to build a future of unlimited possibilities. why hide your skin if dupixent has your moderate-to-severe eczema, or atopic dermatitis under control? hide my skin? not me. because dupixent targets a root cause of eczema, it helps heal your skin from within, keeping you one step ahead of it. hide my

and yesterday we heard that giuliani admitted to the white house lawyer eric hershman that he knew that eastman's plan was nonsense. and eastman admitted in mails that his plan was unlawful. and this is the theme. that all of the president's men knew that everything was illegal and they push add head any way. now the committee has to try and tie that together with the violence at the capitol and i'm going to be very interested in looking at the pin ultimate hearing in last week of june when jamie raskin will lead a hearing about the militia group and the proud boys and the oath keepers and this is what the committee has been trying to do from the start. we reported back in january that the select committee was trying to try the political elements of trump's plan to the violence of the insurrection and the violence at the insurrection was mainly perpetrated and coordinated by the proud boys an oath keepers so. i think what we have to look for next is whether the committee could tie the items together because then you put trump at the center of a conspiracy. >> as you say hugo, everybody

eric hershman, defended him during impeachment and trying to distract from the dirty phone call with ukraine and here you have hershman being harsh with eastman depending that he say -- >> orderly transition. >> orderly transition. and then hanging up the phone on him. and then this incredible story of richard donahue who is on the mall in muddy jeans and an army t-shirt, and is called and said you have got to get to the white house and then dressed down of course yet another runaway attorney who is, well, trying to take over the justice department and undermine the election. so many of these subplots, it is incredible what the january 6 committee is bringing out. >> well, really it is. and i don't think we've seen anything like this in our history. there has been a lot of dramatic and important moments involving presidents that haven't done the right thing. plenty of times. but i don't think we've seen anything like this. what this committee is laying out and accusing former president trump of is something that no other president ever tried in the 200 some year history of this count

and then eric hershman called me to say he was going to go to the meeting and he would be supporting he had asked to see me alone because usually he met with me and mr donoghue because he thought it would be appropriate in light of what was happening to at least offer me that i could stay on as his deputy. i thought that was preposterous. i told deputy. i thought that was preposterous. itold him deputy. i thought that was preposterous. i told him that was nonsensical and that there is no universe where i was going to do that. to stay on and support someone else doing things that were not consistent with what i thought should be done so... i didn't accept that offer. , ., that offer. during that meeting, did mr clarke ask _ that offer. during that meeting, did mr clarke ask you to _ that offer. during that meeting, did mr clarke ask you to sign _ that offer. during that meeting, did mr clarke ask you to sign the - mr clarke ask you to sign the georgia letter?— mr clarke ask you to sign the georgia letter? that was on the saturday meeting _ georgia letter? that was on the saturday meet

the committee also played sound from former white house attorney eric hershman, who talked about hiss reaction to john eastman's scheme to overturn the election, and said eastman told him he did not care if that led to violence. >> i said, hold on a second. i want to understand what you're saying. you're saying that you believe the vice president, acting as president of the senate, can be the sole decision maker as to, under your theory, who becomes the next president of the united states? and he said yes. i said, are you out of your f-ing mind? i said, you're completely crazy. you're going to turn around and tell 78 plus million people in this country that your theory is this is how you're going to invalidate their votes, because you think the election was stolen? i said, they're not going to tolerate that. i said, you're going to cause riots in the streets. and he said words to the effect of, there's been violence in the history of our country to protect the democracy. >> after all this, as joyce and jackie mentioned, that revelation that eastman sought a presidential pardon in the

white house attorney eric her-man tested that the next day, jan 7th, he received a call from dr. eastman. here is mr. hershman'sccount of that call. >> the day after eastman -- i don't remember, he called me or texted or called, wanted to talk and he said he couldn't reach others. and he started to ask me about something dealing with georgia preserving something potentially for appeal. and i just said to him are you out of your f-ing mind? i only want to hear two words coming out of your mouth now on. orderly transition. i don't want to hear any other f-ing words coming out of your worth, other than orderly transition, repeat the words to me. >> eventually he said orderly transition. i said good, john. now i'm going to give you the best free legal advice you're ever getting in your life. get a great f-ing criminal defense lawyer, you'll need it. i hung up on him. >> in fact, just a few days later, dr. eastman e-mailed rudy giuliani and requested he be included on a list of potential recipients of a presidential pardon. dr. eastman's e-mail stated, quote, i've decided that i should be on the pardon list, if that

eric hirshman talking about his conversation with conservative lawyer john eastman, eastman is the one who came up with this plan on how to steal the electoral votes in the house. eastman ask ed hershmanabout efforts in georgia to challenge the election results. he hirshman said he only wanted to hear about an orderly transition. >> i don't want to hear any other f'ing words coming out of your mouth no matter what other than orderly transition. repeat those words to me. eventually he said orderly transition. i said good job. now i'm going to give you the best free legal advice you're ever getting in your life. get a great f'ing criminal defense lawyer. you're going to need it. and then i hung up on him. >> now, that's interesting because liz cheney put that out there, amidst this whole idea about whether or not the committee should be referring anything to the justice department for criminal prose prosecution. >> also, i agree, a minor kerfuffle, but we're in the kerfuffle criminology business, so we have to figure out also the fact that they canceled the hearing -- they postponed the hearing about basically the doj aspect of this stuff, which would have been presumably about these qu