joining us is eric hippo and light shed partner, brandon ross eric, you think zuckerberg's making a big mistake here? >> i do. >> why >> i think his view of the metaverse is not espoused by the majority of people in technology it's a journey we don't know what the outcome's going to be the killer application for metaverse today exists on platforms like roblox. so what application is he proposing to us? that we live our lives in this kind of immersive, you know, world that doesn't exist, but what are we going to do in that world? he's not explaining that so i think he's way ahead of his time and if he was spending a tenth of what he's spending, you might say, okay, good bet. he's betting something relatively small, but the bet that he's making, about $10 billion in year and another $10 billion next year and who knows how much later, is completely out of sync with the reality of the metaverse. >> brandon, do you disagree? are you buying it? >> no, i actually agree very much with what eric said i mean, there's two components to this cost increase. on the one side, it's the costs are going