eric holder went out of his way. i mean, barr didn't even make that fig leaf effort. >> no and what the ag would say i'm sure is no matter what i do the partisan nature of washington is going to be such that i'm going to be criticized. i just don't think that's entirely true. the department can do a much better job to try to appear to be apolitical. >> not only that. people want -- they want to believe he wouldn't be political, correct? like, people actually want to give him the benefit of the doubt first. >> yeah. people wanted to believe what he said in his confirmation, which is i don't need this job. i don't need the president's aprovl. that that's not turning out to be true. >> and he doesn't seem to care. that to me is quite troubling. thank you. both with me now, congressman raja of illinois. he is a member of both intelligence and oversights committees. as part of the house's impeachment inquiry, congressman, i want to first get your reaction to your -- to a pretty successful lawsuit that -- that the house de

i mean, you are played a clip from eric holder saying there is an inspector general general investigation you have this john durham investigation? it's very simple and holder knows this because the inspector general can investigate the department of justice. this investigation, with durham is wide ranging. it's the entire intelligence community. and we know that this was not simply an fbi or department of justice thing. this was a wide ranging intelligence community operation. and if things were done improperly and with the assistance of foreign countries, then certainly that's something the american people should need to know and should be concerned about. steve: and, ian, keep in mind a lot of this stuff we are talking about is 2016 and before, that would be the obama administration department of justice. >> absolutely. and, everyone wants to talk about well, you know, trump is calling these prime ministers and setting them up with barr. well, what happened during the obama administration? where obama lieutenant calling foreign partners to try to help them investigate the trump campaign

former attorney general eric holder weighing in on events of our day.hearing about a secretly planned phone call with the potential of opening dialogue between the united states and iran. opening a dialogue. all the iranian president hassan rouhani had to do is pick up a phone. instead he left president trump waiting on the line, all of this according to reporting of "the new york times." the french president emmanuel macron apparently set up a call on the sidelines of the u.n. general assembly just last week. they call reportedly fell through because hassan rouhani did not trust the united states to lift sanctions on iran because he said i will not talk until the sanctions are gone. and he feared president trump would spin the talks were positive media coverage. live from our jerusalem newsroom. >> according to reports french president emmanuel macron presented a four-point plan to president trump and iranian president hassan rouhani at the united nations last week but the agreement fell apart after rouhani declined to pick up the phone. politico is re

took a free fairy to catch a glimpse of the landmark instead. >> obama's former attorney general eric holder a national redistricting action fund that's launching initiatives across the country to throw out republican maps and turn districts blue in time for the election. and they have already had success in north carolina. former wisconsin governor and finance chairman of the republican national redistricting trust scott walker joins us now with how he is fighting back. thanks for being here, governor. >> great to be with you. pete: i hear you play the drums. if you want to join brantley gilbert at some point you can. this is serious stuff. >> yeah. pete: it feels like you are getting in the weeds but you are fighting for the future of maps for matters who wins elections. >> eric holder has been sue until it's blue mentality. pete: sue until the district is blue. >> even a state like north carolina where republicans are in charge of the assembly and the senate. the two houses there. they have gone to court and over the years they have gotten involved in supreme court races. so, now, the lib

i want to reuse something from matthew miller who used to be eric holder's spokesperson at the doj under the obama administration and he says one thing about this investigation to personally oversee. what is the predicate? there's never been a credible allegation that a crime was committed, your response? >> there was never a credible accusation by the trump organization, the trump campaign and get the justice department and jim comey began an investigation of the trump campaign. they are real issues as to why the fbi and cia were involved in the investigation of the trump campaign, was this a coming together to have an investigation of the presidential campaign. when you look at carter page, or an advisor application in the steel dossier all of which were the genesis of the 2016 investigation by comey and all of them. to me it is a necessity. i have great respect for attorney general william barr but i don't care who the attorney general was he has an obligation to investigate what went on in 2016, why this investigation was started on the trump campaign, who was involved, was there any

. >> eric holder. >> eric holder?nute entry, oh, he will really save the day, what planet are they on. >> they are realizing it might be too late to jump in, who is left? elizabeth warren? steve: that is the actual thing, she is in the lead but they are worried -- he said lame, 5 too r left. >> more light weights to already a lackluster field of light weights. steve: she too far left. >> democrat realize they cannot control their party, their voters want to go way too far lift for america, they don't know what to do about it it is a didemocracy, they can't do anything about it president trump will win in a landslide. >> dncrigged it last time. steve: it will be fascinating, a huge thank you to great people at turning point usa, i spoke to a fired up group of students this morning here in california, it was inspiring to see their energy and commitment to populous move. , giving me such hope for future, as it does when they see sarah, caylee and henry, thank you so much. >> and come back again next sunday when the next

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the past it's interesting, because you'll recall in 2012 during the house oversight hearing with eric holderents, trey gowdy criticized doj saying they should hand over documents in the proceeding. here is what he said. >> the notion that you can withhold documents and information from congress no matter whether the party in power or not in power is wrong. respect for the rule of law must mean something, irrespective of the vicissitudes of political cycles. >> so now. >> wow. >> he is expectsed to help the white house and their efforts as we have seen to essentially stone wall a congressional request, anderson. >> i mean, jeff what a difference a couple of years and going to private practice makes. >> well, and whose ox is gored. the core argument in the letter is that an impeachment inquiry can only take place if the full house votes for it. there was such a vote regarding the iks innen inquiry and the clinton inquiry. but no court that i am aware of has ever held that that's required before the house starts an investigation. these are dually thoeshzed committees, the judiciary committee, f

back in 2011, radio show, eric holder about when he might leave the administration. remember?was in fast and furious, they're a bunch of things going on. people are looking at him in contempt of congress. let's watch this. we go i'm still enjoying what i'm doing. there is still work to be done. i am still the presidents wing man, i'm here with my boy. >> harris: so why does william barr -- looked at as being too close to the president, the executive can back your thought? >> again, where you stand depends on where you sit. eric was his wing man, and it was okay, i guess. to sort it be the protector of the president. bill barr -- and this is kind fascinating. you hit on a great point. bill barr wasn't a long-time trumper. he was more closely associated with the bush camp. the president and the president's brother, who was trump's opponent. he is this warm and fuzzy trump cheerleader. he is a dedicated professional. he's got an unbelievable pedigree and background. the only thing he cares about, frankly, having known him for a long, long time, is the constitution and the rule of

at one point she was sitting next to eric holder. the optics of these gatherings, susan page, also something that a lot of folks like us pay attention to. "usa today's" washington bureau chief. tiffany cross, co-founder and managing editor of thebeatdc. as i understand it, your initial meeting with congressman cummings was quite memorable, shall we say. >> it was. congressman cummings was the first member of congress i had ever met. i was a young woman, new to d.c., just finding my way to politics. at the time the congressional director of the congressional black caucus was often referred to as the 43rd member -- there were 42 members at that time. he brought me in to meet with chairman cummings. a young woman determined to present myself in the most distinguished way possible. i spoke in a very dignified yes and said greetings, congressman cummings, i'm tiffany cross. he mocked me in front of everybody. i was embarrassed of course at the time. he put me at such ease. that said so much about him. everyone new congressman cummings. he

attorney, and matt miller former spokesperson for attorney general eric holder, all are msnbc analystsd i want to start with the story rachel spent her hour with, and rachel and i began discussing. matt miller i would like to begin with you on this. the idea that the barr justice department is now officially launched a criminal investigation of the beginnings of the investigation of russian interference in the 2016 electio election. >> i think it's the most concerning development out of the justice department since donald trump became president. if there was a crime committed obviously it ought to be investigated. but we know more about the origins of the russian probe. bob mueller wrote a 450 page report that became public, fisa investigation, something it's never been done in its history, extensive reporting. we've never seen single evidence of a crime, not even allegation of a crime, something that would give a predicate to an investigation. i think it's notable that in this story tonight it doesn't say what the allegation of the crime is that the department is now investigating. yo

eric holder and bill barr.he said yesterday. >> paying a price both in terms of questioning whether or not he is acting as the president's lawyer as opposed to the attorney general and a negative impact on the justice department. you have to not only be substantively neutral, you have to appear to be neutral when you are the attorney general of the united states. and i fear that he has crossed a political line. >> bill: bill barr was under oath when he said i'm looking at spying, right? bill barr told me back in april or may that he was going to get to the bottom of whatever went on during the election of 2016. what's eric holder talking about? >> i hate this stuff. eric holder was very much a political a.g. for his president and this idea that now he is going to opine from a great height about how other a.g.'s aren't as neutral as he was is kind of ridiculous. >> sandra: dollars raised to the trump campaign and rnc third quarter $125 million. $308 million to date. the trump campaign says it has attracted 50,00

any you know had the shesher cat smile and looked at them and so will find me right because i as eric holder guaranteed under obama financial crimes are not prosecutor in america you're committing a financial crime with a lot of money you're considered a hero if you introduce a negative interest rate considered a god if you're trying to take a sack of garbage public j.p. morgan you're considered an immortal and that's unfortunately going to lead to a dire and. to the financial system now i want to turn to ed harris and he tweeted this story from the financial times and again so they were going to dump we work on to $50000000000.00 valuation with this company with a business model that makes no sense at all and these wall street guys knew it had a business model that they know because it's fundamentally unsound they know that this is what they teach you in all business schools when when banks used to actually do some lending to businesses j.p. morgan would have never aligned to anybody with this business model right insider stock sales rise to decade high in the u.s. executives across the u.s

as eric holder did. you are found in contempt. where does it go after your found in contempt? nothing really. by law i guess in the old days you would be put in jail but not now. as far as dorrell, the g7 summit had to be held somewhere. there's not nice resort than donald trump's. the fact he's having it there, let's see what the cost is for the taxpayers. is it right for donald trump to give his salary back? tell me if that's right a wrong. and i think what it shows you the great things he's doing and the fact it's not about money within. if this were about money the would of never offered public service in the first place because it's been a money loser for someone like donald trump. the easy path would be to stay out of the public arena but he's chosen to get involved and liquid is done for this country. >> , at text from one of her abuse. will representative norman support investigations up trump's children find out whether they're profiting from their last name? >> guest: amy, amy, the answer is anybody. trump's children, bidens children anybody, when you're in the publi

heather: eric holder warning william barr, fox exclusive, the investigation into the origins of the russiarobe. >> highly unusual, and investigation, and law enforcement agencies. and have to be substantively neutral. i fear he crossed the political line. >> president obama telling a radio host, i'm still the president's wing man. in his most recent comments holder question the president's role in william barr's investigation. devon nunez, ranking republican on the house intel committee says democrats don't want you to realize the entire impeachment effort is nothing but a hoax. >> this is not a real impeachment. this is a foss impeachment. by keeping this at the house intelligence committee, it is not a place to run impeachment hearings. what they are trying to do is hiding this from the american people but don't want to the normal process. important for people to go back and look at the chairman of the house intelligence committee, fabricated the president's own words. this need for closer examination. democrats tried to get dirt from the ukrainians. the dnc, the clinton campaign, the ru

obama will soon join eric holder and former virginia governor terry mcauliffe at super pack works to position democrats favorably in a round of redistricting after the 2020 census. the elder soros donated 31,000 to senator obama. another 28,000 for his reelection in 2012. this is quite something. the radical dimms, they are talking about abuse of power instead of violating some bizarre rule of foreign policy in which the president can't exercise his own critical judgment. they keep coming up with a new philosophy and rationale. almost biweekly. >> it's not an impeachment inquiry at least historically speaking. when you engage in secrecy and rolling over the rights of the accused. in this case president trump. it looks like more coup than any impeachment. it would open up the process. to public disclose our and accountability. and a coup doesn't allow you to do that. and i can tell you that -- lou: where did the whistleblowers go? where the hell did they go? >> if they were talking publicly, adam schiff would be exposed for the corrupt politician he is in terms of his coordination tha

my goodness, remember when eric holder had a subpoena due to fast and furious in the illegal gun operatingith the cartels at the southern border and we lost a meetin amazing for the pl agent. heated direct subpoena from the house of direct doors. she is one of the most radical members of congress. i think the u.s. congress has had in any memory of all at all times. >> do you think she beats ill he >> she gets a calming feeling when two things of the holocaust. she was the one that had to be forcibly removed from a trump's rally in a truck gathering in 2060. also she said we are going to impeach, and a not and i sort after that. she is very radical. and there is a base for this, this goes to show that the base of the democrat party is no longer union workers or carpenters or electricians. that is how the base of the top movement and because of this the democrats have moved further and further to the left to radicalize themselves and she is a byproduct of just that. >> when you talk about this, i remember in 16th when bernie sanders said i am a democrat socialist, i still don't know what tha

justice department spokeswoman issue a statement today: but obama administration attorney general eric holderions el reinc relevance ofs work. >> i think whole thing that attorney general is involved in, is unusual, to see how president is involved in trying to help attorney general in that effort gives he pause. reporter: based on latest information we have, it expected sometime this month. elizabeth: thank you catherine e herridge. >> attorney general william barr is ramping up his probe, of the cia and fbi activities in the 2016 election. did they gather any intelligence activities. let's bring in katy, joining me for react. what do you make of cnn says that barr is on a world tour investigating conspiracy theories. this is about using power of u.s. intelligence community too go after a opposition campaign, do media see that. >> you are right, president has a legitimate right to request whether there were political operatives working against his campaign or they were engaged in legitimate law enforcement. elizabeth: durham taking a look at actions of intelligence against overseas and here

they are talking about duval patrick or former attorney general eric holder.sh: what any of them have quite the name recognition? steve bannon said if she did decide to get in, don't underestimate her. she still could get a lot of votes. you could have some disgruntled people out there who maybe voted for trump before but are willing to take a chance on something different. >> she has got an ax to grind and i think democrats feel like the 2016 election was tonal from them whether or not that is correct. i think she would be a force to be reckoned with. but i agree it' highly unlikely. we are almost 100 days out from the filing dade line for super tuesday. for someone to jump in at this point like hillary clinton they would have to carry huge name recognition. trish: and money. kevin, you have got a lot of smart people on wall street saying to themselves, really? socialist? i think no matter how you slice it, anybody who has never made a buck or gone to work on a regular basis is going to start to say to themselves, do i want to be turning over this much of my

. >> i mentioned eric holder.'s attorney general was criticized by republicans, yes, but he was held in contempt for refusing to turn over documents about fast and furious. his doj prosecuted leakers, whistle-blowers, came out of journalists. do you think bill barr is worse? and why? >> so far i think he's worse. i want to condemn holder, though, for being the most dangerous dynamic here is a weaker and weaker congress. since 9/11 you've had congress be less involved in oversight and it's a critical branch of government and it's good we have these checks and balances and it's good that republicans are pushing holder and obama, but i do think barr is more dangerous because he's protecting the president himself from potentially criminal conduct and he has a bad operation by the atf that led to the death of an atf officer and those are two different things. these are critical things about our democracy and equal powers of government and equal branches. the president has to sort of obey an impeachment request for cert

. >> president obama's attorney general eric holder warning the current a g, william barr saying thisigation into the origins of the russia probe. >> the thing the attorney general is involved in, ordering an investigation of intelligence and law enforcement agencies, an investigation underway by the inspector general, not only substantively neutral, you have to appear to be neutral when you are attorney general of the united states and i fear he crossed the political line. rob: six years ago holder described his relationship with president obama telling a radio host, quote, i am still the president's wing man so i'm there with my boy. a different story now. in his most recent comments holder questioned the president's role in william barr's investigation, democrats appear all in and in effort to impeach the president but if they are not careful, the trial could backfire big time. >> i think the boomerang effect will blow up in the democrats face. tragically for them. what i mean by that is if this goes to a senate trial and impeachment and they move forward with this the republicans

. >> eric holder, a former attorney general under president obama, he's not talking about a bigger issuehave republicans that keep trying to go from the polls. >> there has been an escalation in the number of voters that have been purged. there's also been an attempt to move a pretense. that's what mr. holder is referring to. >> i don't think he disagrees with that. >> i don't want to disenfranchise anybody. i think you point to specific local instances where republicans made some decisions that i think are hard to defend it but i think this is also part of a larger strategy of basically trying to gin up democratic based voters. but it's been a strategy that the democrats have use for a long time. >> dana: can you believe it's october 1st, 13 months away from the election but it feels like -- >> 398 of the longest days. >> we would love to have you back donna roselle and, if you love steak or worry about your health, a new study may be just what your taste buds have been waiting for. we have good news. details straight ahead. ♪ limu emu & doug and now for their service to the community,

when the house was in the majority, he wanted documents from the attorney general eric holder and thebama administration was resisting that. trey gowdy taking a bold stand for the house. >> the notion that you can withhold information and documents from congress no matter whether you're the party in power or not in power is wrong. respect for the rule of law must mean something irrespective of the vicissitudes of political cycles. >> i agree. >> there's so many great clips. we've seen lindsey graham clips. >> pompeo as secretary of state, gowdy on the legal team. it's the benghazi team back together again. they of course argue there are nuances that make this very different. >> this is republican. there's the nuance. >> the one thing is that gowdy does know the house and he knows how to craft a legal argument that's compelling. he's not a slouch when it comes to what he does. he's a formidable guy to put on that team. >> he has access because of his member privileges. he's there as a scout more than anything else. we'll continue the conversation a bit later. >>> next, some serious for

>> there is just -- >> shannon: eric holder to call himself president obama's wingmen and a lot of things closely linked in. so, okay, you're not going to agree on that. they will be arm wrestling during the commercial. but thank you both. all right, u.s. official confirms to fox news tonight that north korea has once again test fired a missile. south korean media reporting it could be a submarine launched missile. we are hearing it traveled 500 miles into space. two times higher than the international space station. the news comes as another round of nuclear talks announce between the u.s. and north korean envoys. also an on-the-job challenge for the new chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. the verdict is in, what happens now we debate next. that keeps you up again, and again. advil pm silences pain, and you sleep the whole night. advil pm it's what gives audible there'smembers an edge.ening; it opens our minds, changes our perspective, connects us, and pushes us further. the most inspiring minds, the most compelling stories: audible. if you have moderate to thsevere rheumatoid arthrit

msnbc justice and security analyst matt miller was former chief spokesman for attorney general eric holder. you're not a lawyer. >> married to one, in fact. >> the procedure for impeachment is not defined specifically in the constitution other than house and a trial in the senate. in fact in the past, according to jill wine-banks last night, there was no full house floor vote before period of time rodino convened the judiciary committee hearings on the impeachment of richard nixon. >> right. the bottom line is the house gets to define its own procedures. it's not a call that the president or anyone in the executive branch gets to make. when you boil down the arguments the president's lawyer is making in this letter they come down to one thing, and that is that the president is above the law. remember what the house and the justice department have been saying for months. number one, the president can't be indicted because the constitution leaves the policing of presidential misconduct to congress. they've said since then the president can't even be investigated. and now they've said the pre

he was tasked by eric holder who was then attorney general back in the early days of the obama administration to look at a possible cia abuse. for his part, president trump is staying out of it, he's letting his attorney general handle all of it. >> harris: john roberts outside the white house today. thank you very much. i want to bring in tom dupree, former deputy assistant attorney general under president george w. bush. great to see you today. let's start with what the former acting fbi director andy mccabe said, that there's nothing to investigate. if that's the case, i didn't stop democrats from probing russia collusion which the mueller report found no evidence of. it was up or down on obstruction. they looked into it for almost two years. the russia collusion. how is this different for them to say now there's nothing to see or investigate? >> i don't think it's very different. andrew mccabe has a personal vested interest for obvious reasons. the outcome of the investigation. more portly i don't think andrew mccabe even knows what the inspector general knows. he hasn't seen all the evid

drawn by an impartial panel, bipartisan or nonpartisan panel of people, someone that someone like eric holderted that for a while. i'm a democrat and, you know, we -- you know, we haven't been perfect either. but this has been the most drastic gerrymandering that i have ever seen. so i think we do need to take it to a nonis part is an -- nonpartisan commission or board or whatever we want to call it so we take legislative out of the process. >> and congresswoman, i know you want to take a moment to give your thoughts on the passing of senator hagan. >> i do. senator hagan was a brilliant warrior. she fought hard for these peopl of her district. i served with her in the north carolina house and she was in thehe north carolina senate. i lived in greensboro for over 50 plus years andna had an opportunity to work with her on many community things but she fought for a -- for women. for the rights of lgbtq folks and for the rights of education, giving our children a fair shake. so we'll miss kay. wee' certainly send our sympaths to chip and to her daughters and her entire family and to the greensbo

i think the public -- >> laura: were you arguing that when eric holder refused to turn over documents>> i think people should be consistent and i think people should obey congressional subpoenas. the united states versus nixon. at the supreme court is that you cannot cover up a criminal conspiracy. >> laura: right, but there is no conspiracy -- >> but we don't know that yet until you turn over the documents. >> what crimes were alleged, tell me. >> the crime is soliciting aid from a foreign country -- >> laura: go to the transcript. >> because he solicited interference from a foreign country. >> laura: in the transcript? >> yes. >> laura: okay. >> two days ago, adam schiff. >> laura: this is the conversation. i'm going to play the whole transcript, the actual transcript. they are talking about the missiles and so forth, we are ready to continue to cooperate for the next step, specifically were almost ready to buy more for the united states for defense purposes. did you know with the javelins are? >> yeah, they are tanks. because russia invaded ukraine. >> laura: where they are part of

legal analyst mimi rocah, julia ainsley, matt miller, just named, of course, former spokesman to eric holderand ruth marcus from "the washington post." kristen, the president has been calling this a hoax all along. is this to validate his suspicions, his theory, or is there something more going on? do we know who is being investigated? >> well, it has certainly opened up president trump to that type of criticism, andrea. particularly you have jerry nadler saying this is essentially the president using the justice department to attack his political enemies. i put that question to mark short, who is of course the chief of staff for vice president mike pence, who disputed that that's what's happening here. but it does fit into the fact that president trump has been calling for this to happen for years, referring to the mueller investigation is a witch hunt and a hoax. i asked kellyanne conway if president trump had been briefed by the attorney general, whether he had spoken to him about this development. and at this point in time she wasn't able to answer that question. it is a critical one, an

eric holder, he appointed him himself to leave the ge doj into enhanced interrogation techniques. ongoing investigation into the origins of the witch hunt is not a political stunt. it's a very real probe about real abuses of power. what happened and 2016 and beyond? if this continues to happen, you don't have a constitution. you don't have a rule of law. you don't have equal justice and you don't have equal application. there's got to be a reckoning any deep state. but they keep doing this they will get you six ways, but sunday. were going to lose those constitutional protections that we thought we had in this country. also breaking tonight, investigative reporter john solomon. he is prone to evidence that james comey's fbi knew the dirty russian dossier was garbage. they knew it. they used it anyway to willfully defraud a fisa court and obtain the world. to spy on the trump campaign associate by the name of carter page which give them a backdoor into all things trump world. that would be the trump campaign transition and presidency. joining us with more, investigative reporter, j

don't forget, durham is the guy that eric holder, obama's first attorney general entrusted to look into possible abuses of terror suspects at the hands of the cia. a couple of reasons why this investigation has gone criminal we're told is because of evidence that durham and barr developed in a visit to rome and some of the contents of the upcoming inspector general for the doj horowitz report. when horowitz report will be released, this will be made clear. >> meanwhile, democrats playing down the investigation. my next guest says some of these former intelligence officials should be concerned. doug burns is a former prosecutor and joins me now. doug, before we start about who should be concerned or not. how did this morph into this -- >> first of all, one bit of a technical in the weeds point. i'm not criticizing everybody anybody that says now it's a criminal problem. it was more of an administrative investigation and now it's a grand jury one. there's a process in doj. >> how does that make a transition? do you have to come up with new evidence? something, a smoking gun? something dra

investigated cases for janet reno who i selected to investigate the destruction of the cia tapes who eric holderuggested to investigate the reopened interrogation issues relating to people who conducted interrogations in the cia. he is well recorded. -- he is well regarded. he's a person for the thirst of anonymity. he doesn't seek the limelight. he's a rigorous capable investigator. working with him by the way is a woman named nora danehy who also had a pleasure of selecting to do another investigation. interesting they both out of connecticut. paul: best thing out of connecticut we have heard in a long time. >> right. paul: is it in this context appropriate for the justice department and these investigators to seek the help, cooperation of foreign governments in this probe, if they have information? >> absolutely. the justice department interacts with foreign countries to get their cooperation in matters all the time. i did it myself. paul: so the attacks on bill barr here, by some in congress saying this is simply part of this seeking dirt on a foreign leader, it's a completely separate quest

association john durham who early in the obama administration was appointed by then attorney general eric holder to look into possible abuses of terrorist suspects by the cia and investigation that resulted in a criminal investigation being brought in a couple cases in 2011. partisan shill for you decide. >> trace: john roberts, thank you. let's bring in chris wallace. as always, great to see you. i want to pick up where john left off. bill barr and john durham appear to be pretty straight shooters. >> well, i think john durham certainly is a straight shooter and he's investigated, as john mentioned, you get more of an argument about william barr. but the key here is who's being targeted? you have now the democrats upset about the investigation of the russia investigation and so they are objecting to it and saying this is using the justice department for partisan purposes. on the other hand, when it's the democrats conducting their impeachment inquiry against the president, you've got the republicans saying that they are using this process for partisan purposes. so it's a perfect case of washing

among those names, michael bloomberg, eric holder, sharod brown and hillary clinton.sked elizabeth warren about these big names skeptical of her chances of winning. >> we have a country that is working better and better and better for a thinner and thinner and thinner slice at the top. 2020 is our chance to turn that around. that's what we're going to do. >> if hillary clinton was to get into the primaries, she would have to deal with tulsi gabbard that keeps pushing back against clinton's claims that she's a russian asset. >> it's time for you to step down from your throne so the democratic party can lead with a new foreign policy. >> joe biden is running late today. we're here in iowa waiting for him. despite the recent missteps and the bad headlines about his campaign, his in his strongest position against the rest of the field according to a brand new cnn poll. neil? >> neil: thanks very much, peter. now i'd like to introduce you something akin to a dinosaur these days, a moderate democrat. don peebles. i say that half jokingly. but the fear among those looking at

as we've seen in the last year, we've just seen the end of the litigation over attorney general eric holder from the obama administration who they want to testify and lois learner, the former irs -- arthel: what administration are we talking about? >> we're talking about the prior administration. it took until this time, this year in the courts to sort that out. so if they try go to the courts on these trump administration subpoenas, it could take another four, six years to wind its way through the courts. the courts are an unlikely option. arthel: is that the strategy on the part of the trump administration. >> i think their strategy is to say look, you want to have an impeachment hearing, we might cooperate. you have to give us rights dark- arthel: do they have rights right now, the three committees, to issue these subpoenas without calling for a full -- that's what they're doing, they're trying to investigate the to see if it's necessary to call for a full impeachment. isn't that part of the political game for one side to say hurry up and do this, and the other side to say look, you rush

so the "new york times" reports the primary could soon be joined by sherri rofd brown, eric holder, michaelomberg, or hillary clinton. >> we have to nominate the best -- >> -- you. >> clinton could have confronted gabbard tonight at an event in d.c. they were both billed as attending. hrc changed her rsvp to know. >> i would have been very happy to have that conversation directly face to face with her. >> and just in the last 15 minutes we got some more from tulsi gabbard on twitter. she tweeted this: hillary clinton, your foreign policy was a disaster for our country and the world. it's time for you to acknowledge the damage you have caused and step down from your throne. and as all of that is playing out between gabbard and clinton, part of the reason that some big-name democrats are reportedly still thinking about getting in the primary on the democratic side is they don't know if elizabeth warren can win a general election. warren was asked about that on her way here to a town hall meeting, she said she is the one that is out there and she thinks 2020 is a chance to turn the country aro