then i had the pleasure, deep measure of several years working in the technician in the lab of eric kenda and i love spending time with those scientists. i love asking them silly questions but i also discovered i was a terrible experimentalist. as one person used to joke i excelled pa at experimental failure. i didn't have the patience or discipline. the best scientist they love the manual labor of the scientific process. they've got a skill for taking big metaphysical questions, what is memory and breaking them down into testable chunks. >> rose: they enjoy the process too don't they. >> exactly. they find ways to mind their failures for new insights. i real piesed i wasn't cut out for it. >> rose: did you at the same time find out you were cut out for the written word. >> that came a little bit, that came a little bit later, you know. i then tried some other stuff when i was at ox palo verde i did 20th century literature and philosophy and i realize i still miss science, the miss the immere seizalempiricallism. that's when i found out about writing. >> rose: this is a perfect marriage b