i'm joined by karen tumulty and eric lichtblau. >> what is next is what has been going on all along which is sort of the drip drip of more and more reports of contacts of people in the president's circle with the russians or with russian officials. what's really surprising i think at this point and perhaps it is a reflection of the fact that the white house is populated primarily with campaign aides and not seasoned washington hands is that the trump team seems to have not gotten its arms around what the facts are here, you know, who had contacts, how many, and, if they don't, this appears like it could be headed toward some sort of outside, even a, you know -- either a select committee or some kind of outside investigation. >> glor: we continue with p.j. o'rourke whose new book is called "how thet hell did this happen? the election of 2016". >> populism can end upping with william jennings brian, incompetent and kind of funny and comic, or it can end up the way it did so many places between world war i and world war ii, it can wind up really, really ugly. i'm hoping we're having, you kno

joining us from washington is eric lichtblau and karen tumulty. thank you for joining us.hat is next on the sessions' front? is whatnk what is next has been going on along, which is the sort of drip of more and more reports of contacts of people in the president's circle with the russians or russian officials. what is surprising at this point and perhaps it is a reflection of the fact that the white house is populated primarily with campaign aides and not seasoned washington hands is that the trump team seems to have not gotten its arms around what the facts are here. who had contacts, how many. if they don't, disappears like it could be headed toward some sort of outside, even a select -- either a select committee or some kind of outside investigation. there is talk on the hill, i don't not how far that would get, about the need for some kind of special prosecutor in this. unless the white house and president can get ahead of of all of these revelations, it is going to turn into something bigger. jeff: is that why they are not getting ahead of this? you mentioned because

jeff: eric lichtblau and karen tumulty, we appreciate your time. karen: great to be here. eric: pleasure. ♪ jeff: "how the hell did this happen?" that is the title of the latest book by political satirist p.j. o'rourke. the subtitle, "the election of 2016." it is a no holds barred look at the presidential campaign and critique of the candidates, the press, political punditry, and even analysis of how he, a diehard republican, ended up endorsing hillary clinton. he joins us now from new hampshire. i am pleased to welcome him to this program. thank you for being here. p.j. : thank you for having me. jeff: let me start with this. you say, if my book lacks coherent narrative, it is because i could not find one. have you found one yet? >> i looked everywhere. i looked in all the places i usually leave my cellphone. no, the coherent narrative was not there. well, that is not really true. we are in the midst of a worldwide populist rebellion, that would be maybe putting too strong a term on it, but there is a worldwide -- let's call it a rebellion. oism inis perfect, neo-ma china

i'm joined by karen tumulty and eric lichtblau. >> what is next is what has been going on all along whichore and more reports of contacts of people in the president's circle with the russians or with russian officials. what's really surprising i think at this point and perhaps it is a reflection of the fact that the white house is populated primarily with campaign aides and not seasoned washington hands is that the trump team seems to have not gotten its arms around what the facts are here, you know, who had contacts, how man a

i'm joined by karen tumulty and eric lichtblau. >> what is next is what has been going on all along whichthe drip drip of more and more reports of contacts of people in the president's circle with the russians or with russian officials. what's really surprising i think at this point and perhaps it is a reflection of the fact that the white house is populated primarily with campaign aides and not seasoned washington hands is that the trump team seems to have not gotten its arms around what the facts are here, you know, who had contacts, how may,