amy: and this is the piece for which you and eric lichtblau won the pulitzer prize? >> yes. and we did folollow-up stories won the "the times" prize as well. >> right, right. it was a very difficult period for me because, first, i was kind of being thought of as being insubordinate. then we win the pulitzer for the same thing, so it was this weird process for me of fighting thernally and then getting praise external he. amy: and the pulitzer committee wrote -- "for the carefully sourced stories on domestic eavesdropping that s stirred a national debate on the boundary line between fighting terrorism and detecting civil liberty." when you win a pulitzer, the editors come out, what, you pop the champagne corks. or they celebrating you and today apologize to you behind scenes? >> no, they did not apologize. we have the celebration and i think i write in the story it was very odd for me because a few months earlier, i had felt like i was about to get fired if the story came out in my book first and the paper had not run it before it was in the book. and now they were having the