i know what it is like to sit in eric nelson's chair. the defense attorney. have been in jail cells with people like derek chauvin. you don't just give leisurely advice, you give moral advice, there are tears, you talk to families, it is hard. i also understood that even though the floyd family had a degree of satisfaction, that they realized george floyd is not coming back. his daughter will not have him to escort her down the aisle one day or wherever. but there was a degree of feeling like, you know, we were able to accomplish what we set out to accomplish in that gave me a certain amount of relief. i mean, i was not sure what was going to happen. history was on derek chauvin side, you know? only seven police officers convicted of murder since 2005. i remember bonnie king. i remember walter scott in south carolina. it took four years to charge jason van dyke, who killed laquan mcdonald, and these are very events. i felt like a degree of we got it done. a.g. ellison: professor, -- joshua: professor, what about you? prof. katyal: i have to start by saying, t