case where, you know, trump and his team lashed out at the attorney general in new york here, eric schneiderman, my boss during that case, led the investigation. and they lashed out at us a ton, at eric, at the office. they lashed out at the staff. they didn't actually name anybody but they made a lot of noise about how things could be ton wrong, so on and so on. we faced this, too. it looks very, very familiar. they couldn't fire us. they had no control over us. they couldn't try to exert any pressure on us. they tried to do so through the media but trump is actually using the leaders of power in washington, or trying to, to see what he could do to shut this down. >> what's your takeaway from all your experience, everything you just outlined, looking ahead to ultimately the negotiating, how this is going to go down, this conversation, this interview between mueller, his team and the president. what does that look like? take us behind closed doors, based upon your experience. >> i mean, for the attorneys representing him, he's basically the client from hell. he's not going to listen to anything