>> eric soter, tax policy center. i was impressed by the amount of attention mortgage interest tax deduction has gotten, given all the other third rails that have been brought up. i recall in the reagan tax reform plan, he proposed eliminating the state and local tax deduction. he got a tremendous amount of push back. i have not heard anything about that. but you guys on the fiscal commission, in addition to getting rid -- want to get rid of the exemption of state and local interest. are you surprised by the lack of reaction to that? more broadly, have the commission thought generally about the impact of all of these proposals on the instruments that are responsible for 40% of our spending and taxes in the state's tax -- in the states? >> we did a lot of thought to the fiscal condition of the states. if there is a real hero in this whole episode from a long standpoint, it is eric soter, who sacrificed his thanksgiving and many other holidays to perform the distribution analyses for commissions. we're for or crippled f