eric stern, good to have you -- >> look -- >> go ahead.al comment. >> well, what sean hannity and bozell do, that's a real problem in this world. sean hannity only wants people on his show to agree with him. and he's not going to have you on, because that's what he does. he wants to talk to people he agrees with. he doesn't want to have a discussion about facts and i think it's a disservice to this country. . >> it is a disservice. it is a disservice to have that platform and be dishonest about something that is going to save lives in this country. goes back to the graphic i put up. who do you trust? consumers should not trust what sean hannity says. eric stern, good to have you with us tonight. i appreciate your time. coming up, from beer bongs to solo cups. republicans and the house seem to know a lot about frat parties. >>> plus, god bless bill o'reilly. the spin master tops our friday trenders. stay with us. road closed? there's a guy... excuse me? glacier point? follow me! ♪ follow me! keep up, keep up, keep up. ♪ look he's right ther

. >> joining me now are msnbc analyst and eric stern the deputy secretary of state of montana and a former senior advisor. eric is is a contributor to salon.com. e.j., the president is making it very clear there that this time passing the bill is not enough. that this is a law that needs to be campaigned for while it is already written into law. >> right. because of the resistance to this has continued at every level. there are many reasons some of them the administration's fault for sure that the exchanges have had so much trouble. but it's also difficult because states are supposed to run the exchanges. the states that are running them, a lot of those are going just fine but the federal government got stuck with a giant group of 30 states that they have got to run an exchange for. that's part of the problem. every single thing that goes wrong, anyone who gets a policy cancelled, this becomes may jr. news for opponents of the law. i think all of that is noise that distracts from the larger debate. do you think that the government has a role helping people who can't afford to buy insurance

. >> well, joining me now is eric stern, contributor, reporter for salon.com. od to have you back with us on the program. i remember when megyn kelly started her program, she said it wasn't going to be like the other programs on fox. but oh-oh, it's a lot like hannity. tell us about megyn kelly's guest. this guy, bill lawrence, and why his story doesn't pan out. what can you tell us? >> well, he owned a -- he was on megan -- he posted on his facebook page a few weeks ago he sold his business because of obama care. naturally he was invited on megyn kelly to talk about his ordeal caused by obama care. he had a car wash with 290 employees, 13 locations. did 13 -- he says it did $13 million in revenue a year. we have to trust him on that. because he told me that as an off the record figure. he didn't show audited financials nor did he give to megyn kelly. and claimed he had to shut down because of obama care, because of the cost of the employer mandate. he will be subject to the employer mandate. when i called him, he told me there were a lot of other reasons he was