i'm rabbi eric weiss. we are in the middle of a conversation with cantor rossen baruch who has spent a lifetime of her career at the congregation many -- emmanuelle. and about to retire later in the early summer. in october -- okay. thank you for the correction. i'm wondering if you think of -- your long and beautiful career, what have you seen in terms of the uses of music and the jewish landscape and congregations in the community? >> classical reform was rather formal. when i came to san francisco, we were still in classical reform mode. it was a very short friday night service. a half an hour. it was 5:30 p.m. and it was over at 6:00. not a lot of music in the service. but just enough. a lot of english and the prayers. when we remodeled -- the martin meyer sanctuary, we moved to the friday night services there. and it started to get longer and longer. it was an hour. it stretched to an hour. more music. more hebrew. and a lot of more contemporary type of music was coming into the service. debbie friedm