he won the-- david walker founded the comeback erica initiative. he previously served as cromp -- comptroller general of united states. and jared bernstein. he was economic policy advisor to vice president joe biden until this past april. from boston ken rogoff of lar vard university, previous chief economist at the imf. i am pleased to have all of them here. i will start with paul krugman. what's happening to the ecomic recovery? >> there really has never been much of an economic recovery. when all is said and done i like to look just-- what are the fraction of adults who are employed that fell off a cliff between 2007 and 2009. and it has really not recovered at all it is bouncing along. so basically we' in a holding pattern. in an economies that's growing but job growth is no faster than population growth. >> rose: does job growth have anything to do with increased prottivity. people are still doing more with less in terms of workers. >> that always happens. what ihappening now, it i not that there isn't work for these workers to do. it isn't th

you know what's so interesting about that argument, erica, is that it appears a lot of people have forgotten the goals of 2001 when the u.s. initially went into afghanistan. it seemed then everybody believed it was possible to defeat the taliban. that no longer seems to be the prevailing belief. it now seems to be that at any point you leave afghanistan, you're going to have a huge problem with thetal pan. you can't get trapped there forever. the problem with that theory is, you know, i think the best example to give to help you understand it is that any military officer that goes through west point training acade academy, one of the first and most important things that you're taught is to defeat the enemy in the fight, they have to destroy the command of control. to that question, what is the command of the control in the taliban? the key leadership running this war? they're untouched. they haven't paid the price for this fight because they're across the border in pakistan where they enjoy relative safety and ease of operation. what you're doing with this withdraw is you're leaving the battlefield without your main objective being