and back with us, erica james, dean of emory university's goyzetta business school and the first womannd african-american dean of the wharton business school at the university of pennsylvania. dean james, let me start with you because when joe biden floated this idea of announcing cabinet members, it took me back to late fall 2008, the middle of the financial crisis, the election hadn't happened yet. it was barack obama versus john mccain. john mccain had stumbled in his appointment of sarah palin as his vice presidential candidate, and barack obama gave a press conference in which he surrounded himself with names like paul volker and robert reuben and people from the clinton administration, and the message he was conveying was you may not think i'm all that experienced or as experienced as john mccain, but look at this team i'm assembling behind me to handle this financial crisis. i'm showing that video on screen right now. you can see a number of former leaders from previous administrations gathering around barack obama. there's an issue with joe biden in the minds of a lot of people

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