i minister erica martinez talks to us as a foreign minister. thank you. talking twice here. there's thousands of people that are migrating from south america. countries. i, katie, we're heading to columbia, then panama, going to central america. and the objective is north america. why do you think this amount of people are moving right now? how many people are actually heading and coming towards panama, the migration phenomena, it is the phenomena off times of the 21st century. in panama, particularly, we've seen the ups and downs of this type of migration. specifically, we've tried to raise awareness of that for significant time. now. in 2015, we had a peak, including 2016. and now it seems that it's building up to, to what it could be very soon, a humanitarian crisis. again, the migration that we're dealing with is a different type of migration. there is already significant attention on the northern triangle migration. so the ones that are migrating from dora nicaragua, what am i going towards the north? and then there has been in the past, a focus on the venezuelan migrat

following minister, erica martinez met without da 0 to talk about how to guarantee people safety on the journey. you have been very active in trying to talk to other countries involved in this migration. what would you'd like to see happen? i humanitarian coit or that's something i've heard you say, i mean, how would you implement something like that? the 1st thing is it has to be a humanitarian approach. these are people that need our support. they know nobody chooses to be migrant. those are external causes. it is very difficult. they are hard breaking stories that you hear about the families, the children die, go through this process. and a lot of people that are taking advantage of their situation. a going through their routes that they go, it can happen without somebody orchestrating where they go and profiting from from, from this route. so what we want, we want 1st with the humanitarian approach to make sure that everybody is following the same standards that we have in terms of care for the migrants. the 2nd one in nor to support migration, it has to be control. it can get out o