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erica payne, former deputy dnc finance director and founder of the agenda project. good to have you with us. let's start with gina mccarthy, my gosh, she just jumped into that floebl changlobal change t. didn't she mean global warming? >> i think she obviously meant that our climate is in peril and coal plants put out 30% of the climate pollution, so let's do something about it. >> all right. and what percent of the total global pollution do those coal plants account for? >> a much smaller fraction, but let's be clear, somebody's got to lead, lou. >> yes. i would say that that's true. steve, wouldn't you agree, somebody's got to lead? >> no, sir. epa admitted in today's proposal that there is no global warming going on. as a matter of fact, it may take hundreds of years to see anything. and that's just hypothesis. >> wait, what are you talking about, steve? >> they're going to do nothing but raise electricity rates. it's going to hurt electricity reliability. it has nothing to do with the environment, the climate or public health. this is pure political hardball by