i actually have a question of erick brown. can he come up? so your a program manager with catholic charities? >> i am. >> and catholic charities as most of us know does a lot of work with the homeless population, and would also get contracts from the city. >> correct. >> i am just curious does it come up at all, or whether -- when you're in discussion of certain things that it's a conflict of interest for you? >> occasionally with the continuum of care particularly when voting on particular funding and that's probably the only time and i'm the first to recuse myself and say i need to step back, and i always sit on the [inaudible] oversight committee so i am well aware of what my limit aikdzs are, where i should speak, where i shouldn't speak and not necessarily forcing my opinion. if it's something i discussed, i avoided subcommittees just so there is not an appearance of impropriety and we have learned how to rock and roll. the chairs on the local board is also aware as is megan owens who will make sure that if there's a question that we wil