erick conn's, take cases from other judges that were erick conn and reassign them to himself and you had no time, had any suspicious that was anything other than judicial independence? no , sir, i am not saying that. >> all right. so my my next question is; if you're not saying that. you had to have had some suspicious that things weren't going in an ethical manner in relationship mr. conn and judge daugherty. you suspected conn of form shopping. >> yes, sir. >> to do you regret not not interceding in that? i mean, you know, there's no question. administrative -- they have independence they don't have independence to clout the rules and violate the law. you would agree with that? grease. -- yes, sir. >> do you think you failed as a chief judge in managing chief daugherty? i thought i had done what i was able to do. as far as that is concerned. i told judge daugherty not to reassign the cases. >> but he if anyway. >> he if knead. >> regardless of what you told him. >> that's correct. so you had no administrative capabilities that you could have used outside what you used to change tha