>> a lot of the intellectual figures of the conservative anti-establishment tea party people, erick erickson are absolutely opposed to trump so he's forged a web between the two-way civil war and turned it into a three-way civil war. >> up next, talk of a third party conservative challenge real? who would it be? who is in and who is out as trump looks for a running mate. >> first politicians say the darnedest things. trump wines and steaks, how about trump, extra hold. >> my hair look okay? you're not allowed to use hair spray anymore because it affects the ozone, i said you mean to tell me because you know, hair spray is not like it used to be, it used to be real good, when i put on that helmet, and by the way, look, it really is mine, right? look. (vo) some people have to travel for work. hey there, looks like you've had a long day. (vo) some people get to travel for work. i'm really looking forward to this spinach salad. it's got quinoa in it! (vo) it's the little things that make a big difference. courtyard, make room for a little fun. they give awards for awards for rolling balls.s. awa

let me move on, even erick erickson, you know, the red state guy hates donald trump.t like donald trump at all but here is what he said about your possible donors. they're not getting on board trump but they are not going to continue to invest in what they perceive as a lost cause. this is from erick erickson. >> so, david, i think what we will do, if trump is the nominee is focus on keeping as many conservative free market senators and house members elected in confess. i'm just sharing with you that until the polls are closed and we see the result, i still think cruz has a chance and as long as he does we're for cruz. david: i got to mention something, for those folks who don't know you personally, and we've been involved in many so of the same issues over the years, you're one of the nicest guys i know inside the beltway. i'm just wondering if after this is over, if in fact donald trump is the nominee, very often you have to work with people you don't like whose views on many subjects you don't share in order to get the job done, will that time come if donald trump

to consider a run, part of a recruitment effort led by rsnservative writers bill kristol and erick erickson to stop donald trump. cepublican party chairman reince priebus dismissed the idea. >> it's a suicide mission because you're not only changing and throwing out eight years of the white house, but you're also srowing out potentially generations on the supreme turt. >> reporter: the obstacles for a orn are daunting. organizers would need to acquire more than 880,000 valid signatures to place a candidate in the ballot in all 50 states, and the deadline to qualify in texas has already passed. the anti-trump forces worry about the billionaire's political philosophy and personal character. those concerns were magnified by recent stories alleging trump haed false identities to bolster his image in the 1980s and that he can be crude and demeaning to women. conservatives also fear trump is an easy target for democrats. eris was president obama yesterday at rutgers university. >> in politics and in life, ignorance is not a virtue. it's not cool to not know what you're talking about. >> reporter:

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david: erick erickson, the resurgent editor. you look in good health.hank god for that. >> thank you very much. melissa: west virginia primary mountain state, coal industry has seen dramatic declines during president obama's time in office. now hillary clinton and bernie sanders are trying to convince the state they can clean up the mess. our very own adam shapiro joins us with details there. how goes the battle there, adam? reporter: well everybody expects mr. trump will emerge victorious here because he has no competition but let's talk about hillary clinton. i want to show you the video when she met with a coal miner who was out of work here in west virginia because so many coal miners nationwide are out of work. we saw labor numbers on friday. only 56,500, according to bls, bureau of labor statistics still working. we've seen huge losses, 16% decline in coal employment nationwide. here in west virginia, almost 20% over last couple years. hillary clinton trying to fix that but not succeeding. the latest average of polls from "real clear politics," th

trump continues to make in roads rallying his party behind him, holdouts like bill kristol and erick erickson remain strictly against him. even actor and former governor arnold schwarzenegger said he would announce his support in his own time and way. meanwhile, bernie sanders may have put all of his hopes on the california primary but the candidate isn't entirely against being on the same ticket with hillary clinton. while he said he's drafting an appeal letter to super delegates, he did not reject a vp slot on clinton's ticket when asked. >>> a community is on alert this morning after a shooting spree in houston. police describe the scene as chaotic. a gunman with a rifle in tow fired bullets randomly hitting seven people. gunfire hit surrounding people, a police helicopter overhead, even a nearby gas pump that burst into flames. a bomb squad was called to the scene to detonate a suspicious item. a s.w.a.t. team killed the man and six others were injured including two officers who have since been released from the hospital. >>> shark attacks reported on both coasts gave beach goers quite a

they're not sort of the run of the mill folks, a lot of them were "w" appointees before hand and erick erickson saying how can we trust this guy? are these just suggestions, a phrase that donald trump himself has used to describe some of the policies. about the muslim ban, walls. >> everything he said. >> is essentially a suggestion so there still has to be some persuasion at least among the chattering classes. but donald trump has already mobilized actual republican voter, those folks are coming around if you look at "the washington post" post poll ahead by three points. it's still early. he's still got to do some work with the people who get on tv and talk all the time, but the base, those folks still seem to be behind him because this isn't going to be an ideological election. it's going to be about the economy. it's going to be about strength, it will be about mobilizing folks and not about who is the purest conservative. >> he also said he might add to that list, which makes it like this is not a restricted 11 people. who knows who is going to add? one of the striking things is mitt romney

. >> about the jfk stuff and erick erickson saying, you know, what's going on "national review." we've never had this media landscape. >> that i agree with. they have to find their hero quick. >> the numbers show that donald trump was more there. >> how does this complicate your pivot to the general election which you already started, i asked. they said not at all. we're ready for everything donald trump is going to bring us. they're going to essentially do the very opposite of what the gop candidates did in this race. >> at the ground level, tara, they are prepared, that they have done -- they have already worked those muscles in a way donald hasn't. they have a field operation. that's how they came up. they know how to do the blocking and tackling. >> this is important where hillary clinton has a major advantage in a general election. people have said, you know, donald trump has gotten this far without a strong ground campaign. yes, in a primary. with massive name recognition against people who have less name recognition, now you're going into a general election where ground ma

anti-trump conservative erick erickson says he's also received notes from the presumptive nominee.cation. the same magazine that back in january deemed him, quote: a menace to american conservativism and devoted an entire edition -- i believe it was 22 or 23 articles all in one edition -- hacking away at the donald and what they saw as the great threat to the national security interests of the entire nation. i believe trump's outreach to his most fanatical, committed critics shows he means to do whatever is necessary to win in november. trump has outworked all of the candidates who tried to run against him, and he's trying hard to bring the party together which produces an aadditional benefit. it makes trump look even better even to his detractors. and a new cbs/new york times poll shows eight in ten gop voters now want republican leaders to support trump even if they disagree with him. trump is winning. that appears to be what he does customarily. and the way it looks right now, trump seems destined to win it all in november and win it in a big way. that can be persuasive. >>> now

. >> when you start seeing conservative purists, erick erickson, some conserve at thises might need newome, that is type of division we don't need to see happen in the party. there is split in the party between economic populism that donald trump is delivering, very effective message to millions of gop voters out there, who have been, felt they had been left behind and to the fact of, sort of his practical message to the fact do we want conservative purist ideology that sounds great, it is wonderful, but how do you get it to be results oriented. i think trump will need be able to bridge the two together. court the conservative movement, looking for new home, look i can follow the conservative principles. i will work to get conservative supreme court justices. i think, as well as at same time pushing forward his economic populist message. some of it will jell, charles. some of those two are going to conflict. that is the challenge for donald trump, how he bridges it, bring it together and try to insure conservative principles are in place. charles: give me one second here. we have breaki

one of the loudest voices in that camp talk radio host erick erickson who joins us from macon, georgia. nice to have you here. >> thanks for having me. >> sufficing to say, you lost, trump won. where do we go from here? >> there's a lot of us, not just establishment republicans but also conservative activists who have fought the republican establishment who are opposed to trump. and the fight on that side is whether or not you do form a third party or you just sit it out and let trump lose on his own. the calculus everyone needs to understand republicans have determined if there's a third party or not, trump will not beat hillary. trump is now saying, for example, this weekend the republican party isn't a conservative party. it's the republican party. >> to that point in terms of where do conservatives go, you wrote something about that back in 2015. august 19th, to be exact, when you were the editor of redstate.com. i am the editor of redstate.com, you write, we have long maintained we are conservative in the primary and republican in the general election. if donald trump is the repub

erick erickson is a radio talk show host and runs the red state.com and a rhino hunter, by the way.e out against trump it was a big deal. they are looking for someone else and they are bringing up candidates an folks not well known an and basically to sacrifice whatever political career you ever hoped for if you were to become the third party candidate and to assure that hillary clinton becomes the president. that's why i don't think it will happen. >> in regard to dr. carson. he said his goal is to change people's minds about donald trump. what would it take for you to change your mind, kathleen? >> nothing. nothing. you know, he's not a person that i would find acceptable under any circumstances. i don't i require a certain statesman or stateswoman like people from the people i identify as leaders. i don't find anything about him to be acceptable, not to mention the fact that this man has said nothing about anything. he is chauncey gardner. he says the flowers are blooming and i say yes, that's a great economic plan. i don't know what people are identifying with other than make am

. >> i want to follow it with this then, dana bash spoke with the never trump supporter erick ericksonground work for another candidate to run against donald trump and clinton's names are already being floated. donald trump and clinton, names being floated. would you both support a conservative challenger to trump, even if that means essentially throwing away the 2016 election? philip, you first? >> i would consider voting for a third party challenger. i don't know who that person is. but i would consider that if that option presented itself. >> you would. even if it means throwing away the election? basically giving it to a democrat. >> i mean, i just don't think that -- i know that some people try it say that, that if you vote for a third party, it is the equivalent, i don't think that. i think that a vote in some sense is you giving your moral sanction to the candidate you're voting for. i could not in good conscience vote for hillary clinton. i could not in good conscience vote for donald trump. if there is a third party candidate compelling to me, i would interest voting for that

here now is erick erickson, editor of the resurgent. he is cruz supporter. fox news contributor.sy woodruff of "the daily beast." boris epstein former aide to john mccain and trump supporter. we're getting down to the wire. you have to have it all covered. erick, let me start with you, don't give in to evil? is that a little strong? you think donald trump is evil? >> one of the criticisms i think about ted cruz he often sounded like he is campaigning for preacher in chief instead of commander-in-chief. if i were cruz i would stay away from good versus evil theme on eve of indiana. melissa: boris, you know talk radio is a huge force in wisconsin. we saw that conservative radio really went against trump and they were very successful. what is going on in indiana now on that front? it seems like radio isn't having the same impact? >> it is not. indiana is a mix of wisconsin and michigan as something said earlier in your program but also with other states in it. very interesting state. unlike others. hoosiers think for themselves. they do like people like bobby knight that supported t

the lesser of two evils and you won't pick one, you have them looking at the third party here, erick erickson looking to libertarian candidates as the anti-trump choice, and the democrats in this bernie or bust crowd, an uphill battle, but how could the libertarians further disrupt the two way race between trump and the eventual democratic nominee? >> there are a whole lot of people looking for a third party candidate. you have evangelicals looking for a third party candidate and this libertarian convention that people are coming out and potentially mounting a challenge for both parties. so i think it's getting a lot more attention this year than it has in the past because people are looking for alternatives to clinton or trump. >> is there a sense as to whether some of the libertarians that you have been speaking with will sit out if their candidate loses and just say no one? >> i'm not sure if they will stand out. i know that they will probably vote for the libertarian candidate that they like them a lot more than donald trump and will hillary clinton who they say often are one in the same,

the conservative blogger erick erickson reports that some republicans are trying to find ways to unbind delegates. but the rnc chairman reince priebus said that strategy will not work. last month he told nbc news if a delegate is bound to a candidate, even if that delegate decides later i don't care, i'm not voting for that person, the secretary at the convention will read the roll and if that delegate voted for the person that they're bound to, period. john roberts live at trump tower here in manhattan. some conservatives also considering another option, right? >> reporter: yeah. first to what you just talked about, that scenario there, shep. i've run it by people in the know in the rnc. they say it would be impossible for that to happen, that the delegates are bound according to the vote in their state. the only thing these people could potentially do is to try to convince enough delegates and their alternates to not attend, that trump can't get a majority on the first ballot and then when the delegates become unbound you see where you go from there. but here's the scenario that no on

there are the neocons, the movement conservatives, the erick ericksons of the world, who really detest donald trump, because he refutes the idea that their version of conservatism has a broad base. and quite frankly, what donald trump has disproved is that that base is as big as they've thought it was. and there are a few show and talk radio people who are standing against trump. at the end of the day, republicans come home to the republicans and democrats do the same. and any republican would be at around 40 to 44%. that's just the way it is. >> i've got the best question for you. 88%'s accounted for. who's that other 12? that can't decide right now between hillary clinton and donald trump? who is it? let's guess about that. you start. who's in that 12? >> we're talking about what you call the suburbs and the exurban voter. i think that's all you have left. who trump's talking to at the nra and do his spaghetti version of ronald reagan, that's who -- >> did you just think of that? >> he's trying to be a reagan kind of guy. but those people are already republicans. there's nobody new t

erick erickson, a powerful conservative voice, is trying to drum up a third-party candidate and moremp says he doesn't care if the bushes or anyone else will sit it out because he has plenty of support elsewhere. my next guest has a different opinion on that. with me is phillip klein. he deregistered as a republican on the night of the indiana primary, and david bernstein is a professor of law at george mason. he's part of the never trump movement. welcome to both of you. >> thank you. >> thank you for having me. >> nice to have you here. phillip, mr. trump swears he will become more presidential and people will come to know him as a unifier. why don't you believe him? >> well, i think that for years and for decades he's had -- he's been a provocateur and throughout the primary he hasn't demonstrated either a basic grasp of policy or even an interest or attention span for understanding policy, and so he's made so many comments that are just bizarre and reality tv-ish it's almost like he's more of a shock jock than a presidential candidate, and so i'm just very skeptical that suddenly

i quote erick erickson of red state, the conservative commentator, who said the republican party created donald trump because they made a lot of promises that they didn't keep. >> speaking of donald trump, the presumptive republican nominee, he actually makes a cameo appearance of sorts in your book -- >> oh, i want to say more than a cameo. [laughter] >> well, in the debate over the panama canal treaty in the late 1970. and you say that he kind of prefaced he looked forward to the make america great slogan again. i'm wondering where you think trump fits on the continuum of republican conservative politics over the years both substantively and stylistically. >> great question. there is, just so you know, i was writing -- i wrote the first draft of this book, and then trump started to emerge in the summer of 2015. fortunately for me, a, there was already a fair amount of trump in the book. b, trump broadly fit in with the argument of the book. and so i had had a chapter in the early draft of the book on the reformed conservatives, people who were trying to change the movement, and i alter

they say they know their time is short, but erick erickson is one of these people, he's written the bloge" which has been historically influential with conservatives and others we had meetings with about the never trump movement saying we need a new home, perhaps we need a new home. at the same time, you talked about a "the wall street journal" editorial which was very good yesterday, which makes the obvious point which is if you're looking for a third party candidate, you're effectively handing the keys to the white house to hillary clinton because you're going to split the republican party more than it is. and maybe it is time to focus on the down ballot. senate and house, that's where a lot of other republicans i am talking to who are not voting for trump are putting their focus. >> and lose and reconstitute the republican party after this. >> exactly. >> let's see. the former president george w. bush through a spokesperson told our special reporter, he doesn't participate in or comment on presidential campaigns, not going to comment or participate. your take? >> it is consistent with

american people, if you want gridlock in hillary clinton, support some other party and be an erick ericksonhird party and those are failed strategies. and opposing hillary clinton, you're not going to see the passion and excitement you want to have in your base. >> he's won the evan fwgelicalsn the south and catholic county in north carolina, and the electorate changed and gravity, frankly upsidedown. >> everything is different. but when you can at that about people on the street conversations admitting to people you're going to vote for trump, you want him to give you more reason to publicly state you're willing to support him and get the advocates and people who are going to reach out to a moderate voter. sandra: molly hemmingway, great to have you, fresh perspective. mike rowe for vice-president. dagen: or nobody. sandra: we appreciate your bringing your thoughts and perspective. good to have you. he's got the need for speed. there he is, david beckham number ten in the his of athletes who actually shape the auto industry. we'll reveal the rest of the influential list next. ♪ we were bor

then places like mississippi, georgia, utah, traditionally dark red states and somebody like erick erickson you this proves trump is another goldwater. >> the most recent numbers in utah and mississippi are the argument for why donald trump could be devastating for republicans. but as you noted, if he can put pennsylvania in play, that means we do have a chance, with being republicans. right now, i think this is an insider's game. hillary clinton's team hasn't put any advertiseing against trump. which is important right now and in the coming months before the election that trump put a finance team together and raise that billion dollars that he and the republican party need. and good polling numbers are critically important for that. that is a good day for him. >> you know donald trump will be talking about his good polling numbers when he meets with paul ryan in d.c. on thursday. appreciate you staying up with us. >> my pleasure. >> we are not done. everyone stay up, political power meets up. trump looks for support from the speaker of the house. what will happen with that? wouldn't you li

think tony perkins not saying hell no to trump, which a lot of conservative -- contrast him with erick ericksonerboard in his condemnation of trump. tony perkins for me was kind of a bellwether seeing he hasn't come out strong. let's wait and see. let's let trump make the first move and then we'll decide. >> "politico" also has done an analysis whether trump is bringing in new voters. keeps talking about how he's bringing in new voters. that's not actually, according to this "politico" article, that's not actually the case. what they are saying is that actually people that have voted for the republicans in general elections have now moved to primaries. it's not like he's getting people from outside the republican party. they are people that always come home. he's just energized people who are election voters that don't normally vote in the primaries. they are two extremely different subset of voters. you've got primary voters, general election voters. >> which is an interesting analysis. >> the question is though, again, is he going to expand this base or not. i look at all these polls, new ham

erick erickson, not on board. >> are they voting for hillary? >> maybe.l came out, i'm not voting for hillary, i will support trump. >> somebody who is son board is reince priebus, the chairman of the rnc. he essentially said that donald trump will be -- there's the headline right there, can you believe it? the nominee. reince priebus tweeted this out, we all need to unite and focus on defeating hillary clinton #never clinton. notice we heard so much about the #never trump. now it's #never hillary. >> yeah. see where it goes. what a change in the election if you think about where this was in wisconsin. donald trump getting 34, ted cruz -- >> big win. >> then everything changed when they came to new york. >> 60%. >> yeah. that's when donald's message got better, i think he got better from new york on. >> did you ever think when we were longing at this race, that the republicans would have decided before the democrats? unbelievable right. >> and a year ago, it was never going to be donald trump. it was going to be jeb, marco, chris christie. >> governor wal

bill crystal is one of the leaders of the never trump movement along with erick erickson and so you'ree that people are coming together around donald trump. big money donors. top dollar fund-raisers. people in the establishment now throwing their weight behind trump. it leaves a question mark as to how viable an independent candidate could be. and the concern if there is a conservative independent candidate -- if, and that's a big if -- then it would only draw support away from donald trump and make it easier for the democrat to take the white house. >> hallie jackson, always good to see you. thank you. >>> on the democratic side, the focus remains on california. polls showing a tight race ahead of the june 7th primary. hillary clinton dropping six figures on tv ads across the state desperately wanting a win there to close out the primary process. but bernie sanders is promising to go until the very end. now one of his senate colleagues, a powerful democrat saying the vermont senator should throw in the towel. >> senator sanders has the right to run, no question. he ought to be able to

the group reportedly includes former gop nominee mitt romney and commentators bill kristol and erick ericksonmong others. and ohio governor john kasich as well as ben sasse who has been actively fighting trump's candidacy since the beginning. but the group has also reached out the another outspoken reality tv star who they feel could give trump a taste of his own medicine. billionaire business man and owner of the dallas mavericks mark cuban. though cuban says he doesn't see it happening because there isn't enough time before the general election. the recruitment efforts have reportedly picked up steam over the past ten days since trump clinched the nomination, making the prospect of uniting the party seem even more insurmountable. though yesterday at yesterday's gop convention, paul ryan said it will take time. >> i had a long meeting with donald trump on thursday. i thought it was the productive meeting and the first meeting we ever had. we're beginning the process of what unity looks like in the republican party. this isn't done with a couple of meetings. our teams are meeting next week to