you asked me about erik erikson.saying is if a black person all of a sudden said that i just don't think i'm black anymore, you would -- everybody would go what? i think we're giving bruce jenner caitlyn, whatever you want to call her too much attention. >> i still don't understand the connection. what am i getting wrong here? i don't understand the -- >> they're clearly not as supportive as i would have imagined. >> hang on. because here is the thing. i think you're saying that if someone doesn't like that they have curly hair they get straight hair. if they don't like straight hair they get curly hair. that's a whole different thing than being born feeling that you're born in the wrong gender. that's not the same thing. >> caitlyn said it herself. may i interject for a moment? >> let's let the trans person -- go ahead. >> i want to say one thing about caitlyn quickly. i think real courage is not trying to make money, millions of dollars off of coming out and having -- changing your gender. real courage is not doing