host: erik wasson? guest: that is certainly something we are seeing from a lot of progressive, saying let's go to the budget recreation route. they cannot do gun control or police reform, but they could do a big tax and spending bill like biden has proposed -- infrastructure, childcare, corporate tax increases -- through this budget process. they could very well do that. we predict if they do that, we could see it in september or october, probably combined with the debt ceiling that needs to be raised. before they return to that process, they have to convince the router it's -- the moderates in their party go along with it. joe manchin of west virginia has become the leader of that faction, saying he will not ram things through until he talks to republicans. joe biden also needs to talk to republicans. that is who he was in the senate. even when he came to the joint member of congress, shaking hands with some members, saying they had private conversations with him, where they talked about working togeth

host: erik wasson?uest: that is certainly something we are seeing from a lot of progressive, saying let's go to the budget recreation route. they cannot do gun control or police reform, but they could do a big tax and spending bill like biden has proposed -- infrastructure, childcare, corporate tax increases -- through this budget process. they could very well do that. we predict if they do that, we could see it in september or october, probably combined with the debt ceiling that needs to be raised. before they return to that process, they have to convince the router it's -- the moderates in their party go along with it. joe manchin of west virginia has become the leader of that faction, saying he will not ram things through until he talks to republicans. joe biden also needs to talk to republicans. that is who he was in the senate. even when he came to the joint member of congress, shaking hands with some members, saying they had private conversations with him, where they talked about working together