erin martin, the primary care doctor you just saw in the film, joins us now. also dr. reed tuckson and dr. jeff cain, the president of the american academy of physicians. let me get right to it. it sounded like it was so bad that you basically had to leave your practice. you didn't think you could take care of patients and get reimbursed enough to do the work that you needed to do. that sounds like a dire situation. >> it was a dire situation. and there are many times that myself and my colleagues would have the conversation of, we're going to miss something, that could be bad and having the fear that this was going to be harmful to our patients at some point. >> dr. tuckson, one of the concerns is that they're simply not reimbursing enough money to primary care doctors. >> there's no question. primary care physicians are underpaid, those who do procedures. the exciting news is there's a lot of energy now to turn that around. and the basis of that turning around by paying primary care doctors more is to incentivize primary care doctors to participate as members of comp

pay erin martin a little more money, you guys are making $5 billion. >> i don't think it's important or useful to get distracted about who makes -- everybody needs to be able to deliver value. if insurance companies don't deliver value, they enwot be in business very long. this isn't a game of this person against that group, this sector against that sector, but at the end of the day, the american people need solutions and the one thing they don't need is a bunch of finger pointing that doesn't take us forward. >> what did you think about that particular theme? you were part of the documentary. the american people are going to want something like that. >> i think what the american people need is good health care. there's a lot of talk about who's going to pay for it, and that's really important. but we have the means to decrease disease. i do it in my clinic all the time. without the use of fancy technology and expensive pharmaceutical medications. the food that we eat and the nutrition we put in our body, that's been around since the beginning of time. we have that technology, it's r

erin martin, the primary care physician you saw on the film, and also dr. reid tuxson who is the director of the largest health care group in the country, and dr. jeff cain who is the head of the american academy of physicians. thank you all for joining me. right to it, erin, it sounded like it was so bad that you had to basically leave your practice and you didn't believe you could take care of patients and get reimbursed enough to do the work that you needed to do. that sounds like a really dire situation. >> it was a dire situation, and many times that myself and my colleagues would have the conversation of, you know, we are going to miss something and this could be really bad and actually having the fear that this was going to be harmful to our patients at some point. >> and dr. tuxson, one of the concerns and right to it, that it is simply not reimbursing enough money no the primary care doctors. >> no question that the primary care doctors are underpaid especially compared to the specialty doctors, and there is a lot of energy to turn it around. and t

martin to orlando tomorrow morning. and they're also offering partial discounts for future cruises and a partial refund for this one, erinesn't surprise me that's what they say. a lot of people may be skeptical because what about the financial impact of these disasters on carnival's business? biggest cruise line in the world. a lot of people are, you know, at least from what we heard from cruise insiders are worried about going on the cruises. >> they are. the analyst we spoke to christopher muller says he thinks there is going to be a big financial impact, especially to carnival because of the three incidents over the past year and a half. he said what you're going to start seeing is carnival probably responding by giving deep discounts on cruises just to get customers back on the ships. he says that could have an impact because some of these routes then may not be very profitable because it costs a lot to run the routes. he said it could result even in some ships being moth balled. he sees a big financial impact to carnival. >> all right. big questions for the ceo. thanks to brian. >>> i want to go to the outer circle.