big tech how about a public alternative why our next guest says we need a pbs for social media for erliou we're back after this break. >>> we've heard the calls to break up big tech ramping up our next guest says there might be a better way, how about creating a public alternative in the style of pbs but for social media. joining us former tumbler executive. i can't work it out for a couple of big reasons one, security. i mean if everybody were on this public thing, it would be taking incoming hack attempts left and right. you saw how the government did with healthcare.gov. i'm not sure they could handle it the other thing is just keeping up with security, keeping up with just the tech that you need to evolve at the next level and content moderation i mean there's going to be all sorts of beheadings, child pornography that people try to post to this stuff if you're public, how can you afford to moderate that? >> all great questions i think the biggest way i try to solve that question is boy making it very local the idea is basically you are accountable and part of a local public network