for more, i recently spoke to "new york times" reporter ernesto londono, who is in rio de janeiro. ernesto, we've been hearing quite a bit about latin america and how covid-19 is working its way through south america, as well. where is brazil at right now in terms of infections, deaths, how people are affected? >> brazil is now clearly the epicenter in latin america. we're seeing upwards of 80new deaths each day, and contagion is growing. so, health officials here and local officials are warning that the next few months are going to be very, very hard. they're looking at a breakdown of health care systems in areas where the virus has struck pretty ferociously. and, unfortunately, the approach has been rather erratic. on the one hand, you have the president telling people, "get back to work." you know, with these shut downs and these lockdowns, don't make good sense. let the virus burn out while local officials and doctors are pleading with people to stay indoors if they can. >> sreenivasan: and this disagreement has gone all the way up as high as the health minister. >> that is corr