this seems like he's trying to frame it, he wanting to be the economy republican candidate, errol and trying to frame it. >> you can't blame him for trying to move the gold post. i would love it, 4% in effect is zero unemployment with 4% from naturally moving to new jobs or coming in and out of the work force but, you know, that's not going to sell it for him. you know? i mean, if he's going to be the candidate of pain, he risks being where democrats have been in so many campaigns. sort of saying there are two americas and one america's not being attended to. it never works for republicans. >> chris, i was going to say, mitt romney, he can't afford for the economy, he wants to be the economy candidate. >> yes, and if the economy -- look. here's the deal. you mentioned 1984, chuck. i think it eel's a telling comparison. under railroad, the unemployment rate was 10.3%. by october of 1984, it had dropped to 8.1% or 8.2%. look, 8.2% is not particularly good, right? >> right. >> but it's all trend line. >> is that the line? is that the line? >> yes i think -- >> moving toward 8% and maybe

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