jacob and errol, thank you so much for this conversation. 9:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. and before we go, the newest member of the "meet the press" family, frankie alice katz was born at 12:23 a.m. on wednesday. she didn't want to miss her first thanksgiving as her mom told us, we want to say a huge heartfelt congratulations to both of her parents coordinating producer sale bronzeton katz and frankie was named after their grandmothers. welcome to the world, frankie, you are the best breaking news ever. that is it for today. thank you very much for watching. we'll be back next week because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." >>> breaking overnight. president biden pardons his son hunter after repeatedly

jacob and errol, thank you so much for this conversation.0 p.m. eastern on msnbc. and before we go, the newest member of the "meet the press" family, frankie alice katz was born at 12:23 a.m. on wednesday. she didn't want to miss her first thanksgiving as her mom told us, we want to say a huge heartfelt congratulations to both of her parents coordinating producer sale bronzeton katz and frankie was named after their grandmothers. welcome to the world, frankie, you are the best breaking news ever. that is it for today. thank you very much for watching. we'll be back next week because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." coming. but for many foster kids, being away from family can be a bit lonely and hard. to help create holiday cheer, mancini sleep with them. the ticket to dream foundation are hosting a holiday gift drive for local foster kids of all ages. a new toy or gift helps foster kids feel special, play and even learn. bring any new unwrapped toys and gifts to any mancini sleep world and make the holidays a little brighter. learn mor

errol just mentioned it.the only significant major one, because of career officials like jonathan white, who you played a clip of. from the office of refugee resettlement. and because these folks stood up inside the government and pushed back on something that wasn't a bipartisan condemnation. it was really a universal condemnation. the pope spoke out, if you'll remember. forced the government to make corrective action on what many people thought it was morally unacceptable. it's a good reminder. this is a policy that was possible only because of bipartisan deterrent space. this is not just a story about donald trump. this is a story about the u.s. system. and people who stood up and were able to make a change. it's a great reminder. >> it's such a great point, jacob and errol, if you would follow up on that. the immigration system has been broken for so long. did you get to the root of why? it's just so intractable for this country to resolve this issue. >> people would rather argue about it politically, rat

it was hard to see your stomach or understand, and that's why i wanted to do with this errol.dministration by an academy-award-winning director with an academy-award-winning team, but it is also a reminder of what this all looked like and how everyone came together in order to stop it. i think unless folks are paying attention, i know there's a desire to tune out, to turn away, to walk away from something people feel that is scary or dangerous or a reminder of a very traumatic four years for a lot of people out there. now is not the time to do that. now is the time to redouble, to open our eyes. i talked to lindsay last week from the immigrant defenders law center. she said we had 30 lawyers under the first trump term, we have 200 ready to go right now. there are people on front lines preparing for the type of deliberate cruelty. again, that's me as a journalist saying, not my opinion. the deliberate cruelty of the trump administration, and if you turn away from it you won't be able to react to it the way they wanted to do it the first time around. >> it is two things. people

and the voice you heard interviewing jacob is filmmaker errol morris. he and jacob teamed up to turn jacob's searing body of reporting on the family separation crisis into a new film called separated. i was lucky enough to have jacob and errol mars join me on this program to discuss what inspired them to make this film and the urgency of recording for posterity how unprecedented trump's family separation policy was. >> this represents something different and something new, and it is important to remember and acknowledge that fact. when you are separating a two- month-old nursing infant from his mother, that is a big, big difference. you can hear the head of the department of homeland security, the secretary tell us that we are not doing anything unusual. we are just following the law. and why didn't they do this during the obama administration? obama deported lots and lots of people. why didn't they do this during the obama administration? because they discussed it and decided it was a moral. >> they discussed it and decided it was immoral. that is what

louis. >> errol, it is great to see you.a wonderful thanksgiving. i do want to start with the kash patel news that elena was talking about. there you know, even if this was the name that was widely expected, i do think we should take a beat to underscore just how unusual this is. you know, the current fbi director, christopher wray, still has ten, three years left in his ten year term. so trump is basically telling wray to resign or else you're fired. and errol separately, i do think this has to be pretty jarring for many of the folks who currently work at the fbi given patel's views about the agency. >> good morning mj. that's exactly right. we have a system in which you require not just senate confirmation, but the fbi director serves a ten year term. that's for a reason. so that it really goes beyond any one presidential term. and really beyond any one president, since it goes for more than eight years. and so the idea is that it's supposed to be independent. we now have president elect who is determined to undermine that

erroll? >> naomi ruchim, thank you for that. >>> now let's get you the latest out of the middle east and the sweeping changes across syria. the assad regime's outgoing prime minister met with the leader of syria's rebels for the first time agreeing to hand over power after insurgents seized the capitol and toppled long-time dictator bashar al assad. thousands of syrians showed up at a prison known as the human slaughterhouse hoping for news of loved ones who were imprisoned or disappeared. crews were seen digging holes for hidden cells or chambers there. cbs news's elizabeth palmer made her way into syria. >> reporter: as we approached what used to be a closely guarded frontier, we found all the guards had melted away. we've crossed the syrian border and that gunfire is celebratory gunfire. those are either fighters with the group that's taken over in jubilant armed citizens. in downtown damascus the fighters who seized the capitol on sunday were parading their weapons. syrians looked on smil

any errol morris film you should see. but this one is really important.ughout the country. aired at big film festivals like venice and telluride. but tonight it is here on msnbc. there's a couple of things i think folks should keep in mind in terms of this current moment. when you watch separated tonight. it will start a few minutes from now. but i think the first thing to keep in mind, this is not a done store. msnbc viewers are probably familiar with the basic fact. in the trump administration in 2017, 2018. they took somewhere between 4500 and 5,000 kids away from their parents before a court ordered them to stop doing it. and one of the heros of the film that you will see when we show the film tonight, one of the heros brought the class action lawsuit that shut down the policy. we spoke with him this week. he stressed to us though the policy was stopped by the court ins the first trump term, the effect of what the policy did has not been fixed. there are still families the government never managed to put back together after u.s. government officials f

errol. good to see you. so, as betsy detailed there, that, you know, everybody is claiming victory, but is everybody a winner here? are there any clear political losers in this episode? >> i don't think that there are losers, victor, but i think that this is a warning shot. this is a warning of things to come. this won't be the last saturday morning that you and i are talking about something catastrophic nearly happening, or perhaps even actually happening to the federal government. this is the trump style to wait till the last minute to sort of spring things on people in order to get some leverage, to put pressure on people, to openly challenge them politically. this is not the way we've seen government run for the last four years, and i think we're going to have to start getting used to a new style. >> trump was able to strong arm congressional republicans into scuttling the bipartisan deal, but he wasn't able to get the debt limit ceiling lifted into this deal. he didn't get what he wanted. however, the b

got to know some of the stars, bought a car from errol flynn, became a big game hunter. my, my. were in absolute despair at the cod packages they received of stuffed moose, elk heads, mountain lions bears, sea turtles, eagles and but the whole upstairs of their house was full of these things. but he got his pilot's. and then later on he went into the merchant marine. and let mee next slide here. this is an article that was published in the new times-picayune, very unusual foy newspaper to publish an article about and listed him. and listed at that point because of all the thingsh but after that, let's see what we have next. i mentioned he is. yep, i love deep sea fishing. there is one of his catches. as i mentioned the deep sea fishing. the hunting. after that he went the merchant marine in world war two as a navy intelligence work, navy intelligence, i should say, made three crossings of the atlantic on army troop carriers and then did the 12 trips from europe to africa on the hospital. so the guy worked or was in the army, the navy, marine corps and the merchant marine in war

>> both errol morris and i learned in the making of separated, and in the book, that during the first trump term, they wanted to separate maybe as many as 20 or 30,000 children from their parents at the border if they were able to do so and only because of the work of the aclu, of immigration attorneys on the front line, who are as important as any first responder, these are life- saving roles of these people, they are looking out for children and parents that are falling through the cracks of immigration enforcement apparatus, if it wasn't for them, it would have been far worse, and you've got tom homan , saying that family separation , as the intellectual father and was pushing for it as early as the obama admonition, you've got miller who was calling to non-senate confirmed political appointees, low-level people within the government and there was this coordination on immigration enforcement priorities of the first trump term, what i mean, ripping children apart from their parents and the list goes on, we don't know the full staffing of all of these agencies but there are many of t

errol barnett joining us live now from new york.r's eve. >> hey there an, good morning to you. happy new year's eve to you but that 5% that does go out is very loud. coming up on "cbs mornings," on this new year's eve, we'll show you the extraordinary effort here in new york city to protect that famous ball drop in times square. and we'll explain how events overseas are playing a role. >>> also is getting in shape one of the new year's resolutions? join the club. a personal trainer will show me some simple exercises. if you are hosting a party for new year's we have an easy too follow dish recipe for a refreshing cocktail to help you bring your celebration to life. all that coming up and anne i hope you had a great 2024. see you at 7:00. >> yes. all right. looking forward to it. thank you errol barnett live for us in new york. >>> and while we are counting down a new year in southern california, the clock is ticking toward the rose bowl parade and new year's morning. volunteers finishing putting all these finishing touches on the fa

i'm errol barnett. >> gayle and tony are off. >>> the c

ahorita me gustan muchos peleadores como balmy rodríguez, lomachenko, el errol spence significa muchopelear siempre más fuerte y levantarse, por más duros que sean los golpes de la vida. me gustó eso, que levantarse, por más duros que sean los golpes de la vida. es verdad, es verdad. la vida es como un ring. o sea, si queremos ir a eso. no, no, y además es un deporte que bueno para nuestra comunidad. es un deporte muy arraigado y que hemos tenido grandes figuras que normalmente vienen de circunstancias muy complicadas y en este caso pues bueno, el hecho de que pueda pueda hacerlo de una manera más profesional por así decirlo, y tenerlo bien compaginado siempre es bueno. sí, es bonito también que su referencia sea alguien, de ahí el canelo o sea, y que quiere seguir estudiando y que sea eso, verdad? muchas gracias. nos vamos a ir a una pausa, pero al regresar en breve si usted necesita regalos para esta navidad, sepa que hay una organización del área de la bahía que está ayudando a las familias más necesitadas y pilar niño nos tiene el reporte más adelante. y aquí cuesta 70 $ el uber y

then live at the table to errol louis john brabender and brian stelter. americans with different perspectives aren't talking to each other but here they do good evening. i'm phil mattingly in for abby phillip. let's get right to what america is talking about closing in breaking news tonight nypd investigators are inching closer to identifying a suspected killer. now, a word of caution here nothing is certain. this is all very fluid, very fast moving. the other big lead tonight, a backpack. this what we're showing you on your screen right now is the latest piece of evidence in the hunt for the killer. the backpack you see here, discovered in central park now, the forensic focus of police. it's at a lab in queens where it will be picked over for dna leftovers. its contents will be examined for traces of, well anything. as of this hour police have not publicly disclosed who they think the shooter may be. but we do what we do know is this. police believe he is no longer in new york city, that he's managed to elude an expansive web of surveillance. thousands a

i could never do what erroll has done in this film, communicate to the american people in this visual now. by the way, with the use of emails, the use of documentary interviews with some of the key officials involved in the policy but also with narrative. a fictionalized story of a mother and son put together by the production designer of "roma" and another oscar winner involved in this production. it's really a beautiful film that he has put together. >> so, jacob, as you reflect on the making of the film, the origin as your work here, cruelty is the point, cruelty will continue to be the point apparently going forward. how do you rationalize the idea, the fact that so many people voted for donald trump to put him back in office knowing that things like this -- >> and as jonathan mentioned, tom homan, stephen miller, the same cast of characters are going back in there. my personal belief having covered this is, remember -- to me it's an inspiring story also because everyone around the world rose up and stopped this policy from happening, it was not democrats and republicans, it was u

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weekend, this coming saturday night at 9:00 p.m eastern, msnbc will premiere the new documentary from errol morris. this is the film separated telling the inside story of the forest child separation policy. it will premiere here saturday night at 9:00 eastern. right before it airs, i will be joining my colleague. i hope you'll join us ahead of the film premiere. >>> that doesn't and now it is time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. >> i am so glad you talked about john tower in the presidents that exists in the senate confirmation process. i remember when his confirmation was defeated but i didn't know, it was years before i went into government, that was the very first time that a president's nominee for the cabinet was defeated in the confirmation process. the very first time. we had had judges defeated but never a cabinet member. it was an astonishing outcome. will >> for a newly elected president. no matter how much a president wins by, they all say the mandate they earn is getting his nominees through well that was the first time when the defendant said no, not this one. the pa

errol is pointing to his listing in that census, and he is listed as a free head of household of two. okay his brothers, ben's life was a little bit more complicated, a little bit after ben left the continental army. he signed up to serve in some capacity with british troops. he wasn't alone in fleeing to the british. i mentioned that earlier. there thousands of enslaved people, free people and deserting that fled to the british lines during the war. at the end of the war, many of the defeated british and loyalists, black loyalists among them made their way to new york city. one of the last british strongholds in america. those loyalists at new york until the final peace treaty was negotiated and passed and passage was arranged for them. england or british colonies located in the caribbean and in canada, part of the treaty, part of the peace treaty, promised the return of all confiscated property by the british to its rightful owners. this included the formerly all those folks that ran to the british lines. however, british officials refused to return many of the fugitive slaves that

weekend, this coming saturday night at 9:00 p.m eastern, msnbc will premiere the new documentary from errol

eastern saturday night, msnbc will premier the new documentary from the legendary filmmaker errol morris and our nbc colleague, the film "separated" that tells the inside story of the forced child separation policy during the first trump administration. it's going to premier here on msnbc saturday night 9:00 eastern. right before it airs 8:00 eastern saturday night i'll be joining my colleague on his show 7:00 eastern, excuse me, hope you'll join us for that ahead of the film premier at 9:00. now it's time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. good evening. >> i'm so glad you talked about john tower and the precedence that exists in the senate confirmation process. i remember when his confirmation was defeated, but what i didn't know -- i'm not even sure i knew this at the time, years before i went into government -- is that was the very first time that a president's nominee for the cabinet was defeated in the confirmation process, the very first time. we'd had judges defeated, but never a cabinet member. it was just an astonishing outcome. >> for a newly elected president, exactl

talking a lot about evaluations here on cnbc, i was fortunate enough to talk errol rogers, the s&p trading about 20 times for earnings. in your mind, how does this impact the evaluation of market and the trades we get to see going forward, in what a lot of people feel is kind of a frothy market? >> it is frothy. we expect to see continued investment in a.i.. we expect to see another trillion dollars deployed in a.i. over the next few years. there is no question that those evaluations are unprecedented. i also think we are talking about technologies that are unprecedented, and economic impacts that they could have that are really of an order of a magnitude we have never seen before in terms of the cost savings they could offer for companies. i think we are in an era of new paradigm, to some extent, and i am not sure that the old playbooks really apply when it comes to a.i. in particular. >> speaking of new, you actually just released your 2025 theme, a new report, a expanse of a really interesting read, lisa. i will get to one of those, one of those is emerging unpredictability, exactly wha

eastern saturday night, msnbc will premier the new documentary from the legendary filmmaker errol morristed" that tells the inside story of the forced child separation policy during th

i wrote the book, the oscar- winning filmmaker errol morris read the book, and about four years ago hehe book into a film and we never could have possibly imagined we didn't know trump is going to run again much less the president-elect, but here we are on the verge of mass deportations which is family separation by another name. the film is a look back and roadmap for what this incoming administration may well do again. >> so then jacob, what do you make of the idea that mass deportations, but as i said in the intro, they are also looking at sending people to countries that aren't their home countries where they might not know the culture or even the language. is that something that trump 1.0 did? >> i think immigration enforcement has done that, and that's what you will see in the film tonight, trump was able to separate these families because of bipartisan deterrence-based immigration policy that has existed in this country for the better part of a generation. and i went to haiti and watched haitians who were expelled from under that bridge in del rio, texas, sent back to a country

she introduced me to errol morrison.r seen in terms of documentaries like al gore's "inconvenient truth." al gore said as she passed away, as we were making this film, it is not an exaggeration to say that diane dwyer may change the world. she reminds me of the people in this film, the jonathan weitz and jaelyn sue logs, and heroes inside the government and people on the outside who stood up because it was a morally reprehensible and stop the policy from happening. i want to use this opportunity, i know there are a lot of people who know diane and note the importance of her to this film and she is an inspiration, just like the people you will meet in the movie tonight. >> the other aspect of the movie , the film is also looking forward. you have got a new trump administration coming in. you already have stephen miller and company planning to reengage in this space through mass deportations. you have nbc's reporting on the trump deportation plan, incoming deportation plan to deport migrant to countries other than their ow

>> what errol morris, who took the book that i did turned it into this film that will premiere on saturdayto these characters and one the people that you meet is, as you mentioned, scott lloyd. he was the political appointee in charge of the office of refugee resettlement. becomes the boss of all of the career civil servants who have spent a lifetime looking out for the best interests of children and what you see in the movie is that people like scott lloyd were contacted or contacting steen miller in the white house and it is very unusual to have nonsenate confirmed political appointees in direct communication with the white house. but nevertheless, as he pointed out in "separated" that is what was going on in the first trump term. and you have this influence who want to carry out the policies and they're directing in essence career officials what to do even though the career officials are the ones with the lifetime of not only service but expertise and schooling and management lessons and literally accountability here who know what they're doing is the most basic way to put it and they'r

directed by the legendary documentarian errol morris, the film is based on a book of the same name byoroff, who is also one of the film's executive producers. one of the things that so often gets lost in conversations about trump's family separation policy, is that harm to children was the point. it was, in fact one of the civil servants who you speak with in the film says that it was meant to terrify parents from making that trek from those northern triangle countries to the u.s. jacob: based on the facts that we know, which in this film are firsthand interviews with civil servants who tried to stand up and stop the policy and in fact help the policy reversal, we know what they wanted to do. they wanted to hurt kids in order to scare other families from coming to this country and scare congress into enacting more restrictive immigration laws. it's exactly the way that they drew it up and exactly what they wanted to do. geoff: one of the civil servants who offers a firsthand account is jonathan white, who worked for the office of refugee resettlement. >> the unaccompanied children pro

when errol morris, and i set out to make this film about what a republican appointed judge called oneful expecters in the history of our country -- chapters in our country, how the government could have done something deliberately cruel, that's not an opinionated statement, that's based on fact, how it could have been hap hazardously implemented. it was child abuse according to the american academy of pediatrics. we shared these questions. we never would have known four years ago when we set out today as i was talking to you donald trump the man responsible for that policy would be on the verge of walking back into the white house today. >> in 2019, i specifically asked then president trump about his family separation policy. take a look at what he said back then. >> the zero tolerance policy was it a mistake? >> it's not a mistake. we want to have strong borders. it's not a mistake. let me explain something. children -- >> border -- thousands -- >> we had separation -- when i became president, president obama had a separation policy. i didn't have it. he had it. under the obama plan

and you look at how it all came together and it is all laid out in a way that only errol morris can.documentary officials and also the narrative, a story of a mother and a son that is put together by the production designer, it is really a beautiful film he has put together. >> as you reflect on the making of the film and the origin of your work here, cruelty is the point, it will continue to be the point, apparently, going forward. how do you rationalize the idea and fact that so many people voted for donald trump to put him back in office knowing things like this. >> tom homan and stephen miller and all that same cast of characters are going back in there. my personal belief is, remember, this is an inspiring story because everyone around the world rose up and stop this from happening. the pope spoke out in the summer of 2018 and said, this is not okay. we are morally opposed to ripping children from their parents on purpose. i am all for the conventions. i saw them holding up those mass deportation science but might personal belief is, even though people support mass deportation,

so i'll be speaking to his dad, errol musk, later on around about 5:00.n in the interview, nightclub king stephen says he has over 40 years of experience in the leisure industry, operating nearly 50 bars and restaurants in london. he'll be there too. he'll be here discussing his story and what is going on here. i guess what i've done made a proper error doing this again. >> anna. >> anna. >> but before we get started , >> but before we get started, let's get your latest news with sam francis . sam francis. >> nana, thank you. >> nana, thank you. >> and very good afternoon to you. >> it's just after 3:00. let's start with that breaking news that we brought you in the last half hour or so. we can now confirm that 20,000 migrants have so far arrived here in the uk after crossing the english channel. that is, since sir keir starmer became prime minister. sources at downing street confirming that today, in the early hours of this morning, it's understood two more small boats were picked up in the channel , boats were picked up in the channel, bringing dozens m