men who ever lived, and he also -- i've gotten in trouble for saying that about he looked like errol flynn and was one of the best surgeons who ever lived. so fast which was important because when he started doing heart surgery, they didn't have a heart-lung machine so you lad to cut into the heart, get in there do what you could do and get out before at the person had brain problems. but these two were sort of the same in this size and scope of their ambition, but otherwise they were completely opposite, and they hated each other, and they ended up with dueling hospitals and this was the most famous medical feud probably even to this day. it made the artificial heart possible. it also made the texas medical center possible because if something got -- if dr. cooley got his own hospital, well, then, dr. debakey lad to get a bigger hospital and if dr. cooley got an award, dr. debakey had to do something more dramatic and it really created the medical center that we have in houston today. then as -- the reason bud frazier is the main character is because he studied with both of these people a