joining us now, errol morris. new documentary "the unknown known" is in theaters in new york and l.a. tonight. opening in additional cities tomorrow. mr. morris, thank you very much for being here. mr. morris, can you hear me? >> i can, indeed. >> oh, good. excellent. i was worried i was in space and nobody could hear me scream. i have to ask you about the contention that i made about your film that donald rumsfeld did not particularly want to feel like he needs to reckon with his own legacy from the bush administration. >> of course not. he would like to pretend that everything that was done during the bush administration, torture included, was perfectly okay. >> what did you learn about him going in that you did not know before you spoke with him? what surprised you? >> what really surprised me more than anything is this lack of desire to reflect deeply. maybe reflect at all on anything he had done. everything was okay. everything made sense. the policies were all successful. the war in iraq was a good thing. not

i don't think so. >> errol morris, documentary filmmaker. the newest release is called "the unknown known." opens across the country tomorrow. also going to be available on demand and itunes. mr. morris, thank you for being with us tonight. it's a real honor to have you here. >> thank you very much, rachel. >> thank you. >>> all right. personal space. if your personal space matters to you, something that is one of your constitutional rights just got way, way creepier. in one critical american state. that story and an encroachment on your personal space is coming up. i got this. [thinking] is it that time? the son picks up the check? [thinking] i'm still working. he's retired. i hope he's saving. i hope he saved enough. who matters most to you says the most about you. at massmutual we're owned by our policyowners, and they matter most to us. whether you're just starting your 401(k) or you are ready for retirement, we'll help you get there. you would need like a bunch of those to clean this mess. [ kc ] you're probably right. hi, cascade kitche

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joining me, acclaimed filmmaker errol morris.thank you for having me on this morning. >> an entire decade has passed. do you get any sense that donald rumsfeld has any res for or regret? >> i get the sense he has no regret, no remorse. >> at all? >> at all. >> i looked at a quote that came from the documentary when he talks about the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, interestingly quoting carl sagan, who used that in justifying there was life on other planets. was that a nons sequitur? >> obfuscation, whatever you want to call it. here's a guy who doesn't care about evidence. that's a very, very scary thought. >> secretary rumsfeld talks about the so-called torture memos of the bush administration in your film. let's play a clip of that. >> well, there were what, one, two, three. i don't know the number. but there were not all of these, they were mischaracterized as torture memos. they came not out of the bush administration, they came out of the new york department of justice. >> do you think this could trigger a r

. >>> a new documentary out today by oscar-winning filmmaker errol morris is an eye-opening look at formerretary donald rumsfeld's warped sense of history and the facts. >> what about all these so-called torture memos? >> well, there were what, one or two or three. i don't know the number. but there were not all of these so-called memos. they were mischaracterized as torture memos, and they came not out of the bush administration per se, they came out of the u.s. department of justice. blessed by the attorney general, the senior legal official of the united states of america, having been nominated by a president and confirmed by the united states senate overwhelmingly. little different cast i just put on it than the one you did. i'll chalk that one up. >> was the reaction unfair? >> i've never read them. >> really? >> no. i'm not a lawyer. what would i know? >> he never read the torture memos that justified so-called enhanced interrogation of suspected terrorists? he was secretary of defense, and he never even bothered to read them? remarkable. the bush era torture programs is a huge stain

i happen to watch yesterday the new aero morris selma on donald film.ld -- errol morris this line sayingce of evidence is not the evidence of absence and it's an interesting phrase and it's the same thing he said to me. he had been prosecuting in his 28 years any number of rape cases that did not have dna evidence. has a case at least victim willing to testify. >> this was a victim or a woman who said this happened. that, she was examined by an nurse of that night at duke hospital. saw thatirst time, i reported and is the first time it had ever been made public. everyone speculated what was in the report and i saw what was in it. rightly, it's very convincing that something happened and she stuck with this story throughout. she stuck with it when i saw her in prison when she was awaiting trial for murder, a separate matter. for murderingjail her boyfriend and it's a complicated story. her.lieved he believed the nurse and he believed the police. like she is now in jail. his life has pretty much my room and -- been ruined by this. >> he has been disbarred. he lost his law license. >> what