this your verses -- here v ersus the 62. these are taken from two different sides of the building. it doesn't account for the stacks in the front. it should be even deeper. >> the number should be greater than 62? >> i don't have a scale on thme. >> thank you. commissioner garcia: thank you. >> commissioners, the matter is before you. commissioner garcia: what are we dealing with here, a protest of variance? i suggest that we uphold the variants based on the things that have been set by the planning department, based on the 5% rolule. not sympathetically, i am sympathetic to the permit holder's situation with his wife. but he started the project without benefit of a permit. >> for someone who deals in graphics a lot, the first thing that a senior architect knows is to not use a scale. and drawings are not necessarily totally accurate. what greeted the question in my mind, when you look at the -- not the aerial maps, it was the three dimensional pictures where you're guessing the wall on that side. it looked to me to be quite a bit further into the rear yard. in terms of where it is