>> you know, we are sort of a few steps away from that group last week we reported that eryn rogers was that you know i don't know if i'm in the right position to make that assessment, but you said, it's a long shot independent did and they have confirmed that was among the choices with eryn rogers. not yet said that she was the one. >> you've mentioned the super bowl ad that she backed, putting in $4 million. offering creative guidance, as well. it was created without any involvement by the campaign. we should also know that much of the family does not support the campaign despite what he said, though. with the campaign have had to approve this ad? >> i do not think they could have. it was technically the super pack that put it out. i don't think the candidate had anything to do with it. if they did, that i have not heard about it. this is an independent effort by one of several super pacs that is backing mr. kennedy's presidential bid. >> so one of the things that rfk junior is most known for is spreading false conspiracy theories about back pains. shanahan was asked about that and sa

. >> first, don't get me started on eryn rogers.d do the whole thing together in a dark room. poor jeff. but here's the thing. we will have to spend a lot of money explaining to people in this election that a vote for anyone other than joe biden is a vote for donald trump. it's going to be expensive. people don't realize. they see the name, i'm looking at the polls and he pulls votes from trump and a few from biden. i think the kennedy family will get involved, i believe they would because they think this is a horrible idea. i have to tell you the truth i don't think jesse ventura or eryn rogers will help someone who has wacky ideas like robert f kennedy has. >> reese driver was a guest of the president at the state of the union. she is one of the, can we call her the matriarch. one of the most prominent kennedy family members. thank you both for joining me this evening. really appreciate you. still ahead. the photo that simultaneously broke the internet and public trust. what the british royal photo scandal says about institutional

as he goes down this crazy hole of conspiracy theorists like eryn rogers and others, does that actuallye crazy moonies of the trump campaign who see somebody like rfk really as no longer part of the establishment in the way that donald trump has become. what do you think? >> i think that rfk poses a risk to trump because of the anti-vax stuff. think about what he represents. he is anti-vax, a crypto pro-. he is part of this conspiracy world. i think there's a definite area in which rfk jr. draws out of the trump pool of voters. he also normalizes insanity into our political mainstream even more than trump has on some level. there is still a weird political dispositions in this country for many people to say the kennedy name, it's a serious family. he's a very dark horse in the election. >> rick wilson, hayes brown, thank you so much and appreciate your time and insights. come back tomorrow night at 7:00 p.m. eastern. until then, i am ayman mohyeldin . have a great night. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach p