erything is fully baked into the system. gerri: you have good rules of thumb for pple. the price point they are probably going to encounter starting with the u.s. domestic flights, what can i expect to pay? >> if you're going to fly an hour-long flight, you have $150 round-trip, even this summer. when you stand out an hour to three hours, it is like going from chicago to the coast looks like the 250, 275 range. on coast to coast flights $375 round-trip including all taxes and fees. don't pay mo than $400. you will see prices and a $500 range coast to coast, t you can find deals under $400 if you look. gerri: let's talk about international flights, wh can i expect? >> looking at prices in the $1000 to $1050. from chicago midwest, from the ea coast 1350 range. if you're going to london, paris, rome, add an extra 15, 20%. especially for nonstop. you're going to paa serious premium. if you go tolaces like germany, ireland, spain, swzerland,hich a the cheapest couries right now, those are the be bet. gerri: let's talk about making the fares cheaper, what do i do? you have to

something has to be done eventually because they're going to be into everything -- they already are into erything we do, but where does it stop? >> i have come out and said i don't have any problem with the phone collection, the phone records collection. >> do you know the next stages when they have your records? >> yeah. again, i don't have any -- i don't think anything is private in this world. but then again, my world view was dramatically changed being here during the terror attacks. >> so that means open season? >> i think there have to be controls, but in terms of, like, collecting phone records, i expect my credit card companies to do the same thing with my credit ca information. but i think with younger people, to charles' point, they do think that this is a community and they choose to be part of this online community and it's not any of the government's business. and you're going to see, i think, in years to come particularly with social issues, younger people becoming more and more libertarian. they just want the government out of their business altogether, regardless of whether it's s

erything with an average of 17 die in car crashes. in a third of those crashes back in 2011, now there are new forms of technology where pants ca monitor their kids when they are behind the wheel. so how do you do that? great to see you. the talk about technology being a bad thing when you're driving, but this may be the exception to the rule. >> absolutely. i first told my kids, you are stalking me. i am not stalking you. it opened up a conversation about my experiences in driving and what they had. they agreed this makes sense. i will not monitor every single thing you're doing, areou speeding, their highways and downtown, maybe someplace quitted long-distance c c create invisible fences for them. thopenf a nversation for a contract between them. they knew what i expected, and what they were supposed to do. if you have an accident or if you are caught speeding you lose the car. cheryl: studies have shown those were monitored by by their parents do a better job driving. they're more careful, they dri slower. i would have to think you

short of erything that. >> how many senators and congress people and they were that time, carried pistols? >> in that particular time iriod, maybe -- i don't know, don't have any hard evidence, but it wouldn't be surprising to 20% or more. . >> pretty tough times. keep do people today saying this is the meanest congress they've ever seen. >> because they haven't read this book. because -- >> it doesn't come close to being the meanest. bad.t's no question. bad. but not the first ever. you can start with the beginning of congress. 1798, 1799. the ederalists versus democratic republicans, they hated each other. thomas jefferson said if we saw of the opposition he'd cross the street to avoid having hat to that person and say hello to them. >> any idea when the duel stop? 130s through the 1850s. a 235i mouse duelling ground not capitol hill, maryland, many of invitations to meet thereupon. >> senate debates are often ugly.t and sometimes lay's mastery of vote hustling prompted senate fall lores to dictator.a benton unmatched egotism. to ing the language used describe them. the question to you

figure out how to get those records after you have your starting point rather than just collect erything. that seems to be the counterargument to the massive vacuuming of the digit trail. >> i suppose so. you're also going to have questions about technical issues like storage. for example, if i'm sitting at a threat table and somebody by the name of john doe comes up in the threat scope i'm not to want to know not only what he's doing today but what he was doing a year ago, two years ago. i want to draw a picture of a spider web around the spider in the middle of the network so i understand everything he was up to going back potentially several years. >> phil mudd, i know that you have another appointment and you're shifting off to that. sorry to lose you in that way. thanks for joining us and real he'll setting the baseline from an analyst's standpoint in the age of terror what all this is about. now, mark rotenberg, you filed suit in supreme court today against one of these core programs. that's the court order asking for every phone number dimed from verizon on a rolling basis. tell m