esko i think that he is a manipulator and anything that can help him he will use. he's not going to turn it down. that's why they were getting a comment like both sides. there's always that is donald trump a racist that comes up. i know that he engages in racist behavior and i'm not sure if he is just playing it which is just as bad that he wants people to think he is. >> host: you talk about some of the tactics and one of those times from the monica lewinsky affair when they went after the accuser's. what did trump or anyone else learn from that? >> guest: she got called a bimbo, narcissist, a liar. the fact he said he wasn't engaging in a romance with her, he invited her into the office and gave her gifts and somehow she is the one that got sent off for years and he got to keep being the president. she was gaslight. people learned you can get away with that and that is a big part of how he got away with the access hollywood tape, he brought accuser's and hid behind them in the debate reminding everybody of his word. he did this kind of stuff and you can get away