people who stop me in the the street and thank me, and to meet people who were held in this terrible esma, this awful torture and killing-- how would you call it?-- in the center of buenos aires... >> hinojosa: which is one of the most extraordinary develop... and that's one of the things that, as i was reading for this interview, you know, you think of world war ii and it was like, well, that was perhaps a long time ago. what happened in argentina was happening in the 1970s, literally historically right around the corner. and it's like, "oh my god, how could they be torturing, killing disappearing, people?" i mean, did you kind of realize everything that was happening? >> yes. >> hinojosa: you did? >> not everything, it was impossible to know everything, but i was fortunate in that they arrested me. unfortunately for them, fortunately for me, i wasn't taken to one of the places where i would have been tortured routinely, an appalling torture, and killed. but they took me to what was then the police headquarters, an annex of the police headquarters, and i had a chance to be taken inside,