that means more cash than esp trade. to take that out of the equation would be a huge mistake. >> [unintelligible] >> i am very suspicious of your proposal. we saw what happened with russia and other states in europe. we see a middle eastern crisis at the moment that is a very serious issue. we need to be extremely careful as to how we go about this. >> [unintelligible] >> there are many people worried about health issues. this is a big subject obviously, you have this health insurance scheme based on the dutch model. it sounds like a good model but how would it work here? we don't have the seven big insurance companies they have in the netherlands. is there arrest it would end up with only a few companies and it would be privatized? >>no, is the answer to that question. martin hsc. it has been a disaster for many people. they are now getting volumes of phone calls from people about the situation that their families are in every day of the week. sunday night, a woman seven months pregnant, had to lie on the floor in the