the mother of a child friend of mine, her name is esther bergman, her mother came and she asked where my father was and said, she knew he was ill but said wanted my brother because they had rounded up all of the men they could find and then at temple and sort of went out the back door. and i think that was truly the first impact what happened. >> what happened over the next few days? how did things evolve? >> i couldn't tell you day by day, you know. people came our neighbors came, jewish neighbors came one thing, yes, and neighbor who see the home which we lived in and not only was i -- but my mother had been born there. our grandmother had lived with us fortunately blessedly for her she died a year before the war broke out, never faced that. the woman came and she asked where our polish flag was? my mother said why we have to make a german flag out of it. and my mother pretended to look for it in all places where she knew she wouldn't find it you know. and then the woman left and she said, she will be back later maybe my father can help look for it. and i think that became very clea