compared to ali baba's chinese competitors, isn't he going for a lower price to earnings ratio esther mark why not push it higher? is he scared? >> i don't think he's afraid of anything. certainly he learns from mistakes but if you go back and look at the alibaba.com ipo, there was an issue where it ended up trading down from where it was introduced. i think he wants to leave some money on the table but if you look at the current price range, you are talking about videos that are self of operators like baidu. as you look ahead, alibaba plus video regardless of what happens in the early days will be judged a success if the chinese economy continues on its tear. the price we are talking about right now might look in retrospect pretty cheap. >> it's nice to have a nice pop and see the stock 11, but at the same time, any concern from the company -- is there concern behind the scenes about leaving too much money on the table? >> that is the big concern. yahoo! is a big concern and they are selling as touches 800 le and dollars worth of stocks, so it is really yahoo! we are looking at. as we kno