. >> in my view to hell with the esthetics. >> long before concerns about the oak that fell camp leaders were reluctant to take out other trees. the owner of the tree services mark patton pruned and removed trees through the 1980s. in a deposition he said he almost every decision. we reached out to former camp leaders and staff to ask if they still have concerns about the trees at the camp. they all declined to speak. >> she would love coming over. >> that and the testimony dating back more than a decade before their daughter was killed moved anna's parents to speak out. >> in anna's name and her legacy, don't be afraid to tell the truth. >> love you all, bye! >> anna's parents celtsed the lawsuit and don't want the camp shut down but want new leadership and a focus on safety at the camp. nbc bay area news. >> if you have a tip for our unit give us a call or send an e-mail to the unit at nbcbayarea.com. >> rob is standing by to let us know how sustained will be shaping up. >> and more for tomorrow. we are seeing low clouds back across the bay in the 50s. we have chloe clouds downtown. an

animals that we study into a brand-new context a context that really allows people to appreciate an esthetic way of the idea that we might live in the world without these sounds or sites. >> in the scientific realm it is shifting baselines. we get used to less and less, diminished expectations of what it was. >> when i came along lobsters six feet long and oysters 12 inches within they days all the oyster beds in new york, manhattan, the harbor would clean the water. so, just getting people to wake up to what was just literally there 200 years ago 150 years ago. you see the object and say what is that. you come out and hear these intriguing sounds, sounds like i have never heard in my life. and then you step closer and you almost have a very intimate experience. >> we could link to different institutions around the globe maybe one per continent maybe two or three in this country then once they are all networked, they begin to communicate with one another and share information. in 2010 the website will launch, but it will be what you would call an informational website and then we are going t

effect of the roots have been so great as -- most of the times on the tree removals it seems like esthetic in nature, the vast majority of the cases we get, i recall the last one we had was two palm trees on south van ness which they wanted to chop down because it was covering part of their billboard and that didn't win. >> that wouldn't have won for me either. >> yes. >> we -- the department fights very hard and that's their charge x the question is whether we only look at one element of it or whether we look at multiple elements that are impacted by the tree and its removal. >> i think here where i heard the department saying -- proposing a solution, you know, in a compromise, nobody likes the compromise, and that's where compromise is the best thing but here the department has posed a solution that there's specifications then i hear that you gave mr. buck specific specifications that would not make you ultimately happy which would be the sustaining of the tree but in case the tree had to go away, you have a solution to that. did i hear that? you can step up and say that. >> yes. >> and

three esthetics, we want to replace the entire sidewalk and driveway apron and renovate the landscaping a maimer tree would allow the architectural tree to be seen, we want to know people live here, we want to monitor activities in front of our house and as well as across the street by being able to look out a window, four, home owner preference, there is no objection to replacing this tree, we have talked to our adjacent member and is a smaller tree would be preferable, this area of the sidewalk stays moist under this large tree and allowing a few hours of sunlight which would occur with a smaller tree would make the area more pleasing and cut down on the heavy growth of moss on the property and brick work, we want to reiterate we want to improve the frontage of 3420 fulton and put the same species in or use the species that urban forestry has planted on the adjacent block and directly across the street lining kennedy on the park. thank you. >> you have to use the other microphone. >> we'll maer from the department. >> good evening, chris [inaudible] urban forester with the department

. >> i would come down on the side of the esthetic in that you have to have the art free of the person. >> yep. >> we don't know a lot about shakespeare, for instance. >> true. >> so the more we know about somebody, the more diminished he or she usually is. not always, but usually because -- >> right. >> -- it becomes mundane. >> yeah. >> so because we know so little about [spelling]. aeschylus, euripides, or sophocles. >> right. >> there are these great essences, but if you were sophocles' daughter-in-law -- >> right. >> you know, [laughter]. he might not have been not much fun to live with. >> right. [laughter]. you know, a terrible dinner guest -- >> yeah. yeah. >> you know, not nice to the kids, you know. >> like -- and king lear is another example. >> yeah. that guy was a jerk. [laughter]. i agree. >> he was difficult -- he was a real difficult person. >> right. but i think that even in a contemporary sense, if you -- you know, you're talking about aeschylus. i'm thinking about george clooney, you know. the fact is that we always want to associate certain attributes to people we s