say i am inclined to sustain the objection to per crapo 27 -- two paragraphs -- to paragraphs 27 et cetra. -- et cetera. any other questions from the commissioner specs -- commissioners? is there a motion to sustain the objection to the paragraphs in exhibit 7? commissioner renne: so moved. chairperson hur: what did i say? 27 through 32. commissioner renne: so moved. chairperson hur: is there a second? is there a second? commissioner liu: i will second. chairperson hur: all in favor? opposed? the motion passes, 4-1. paragraphs 27 through 32, the objection is sustained. they will be excluded. exhibit 7 will be excluded. we still have the issue of exhibit 4, the video. i would like to reserve discussion of the video until we get through some of the other decorations, if that is ok with the commission and the parties. any objection to that? ok. the next declaration is that of callie williams. mr. keith or ms. kaiser? >> chairman, if i might suggest, i think a lot of the admissibility arguments may turn on the arguments about the admissibility of the ivory williams decoration. the argument mi