no, it's interesting, i mean, you know, both of us teach, i think it's really when you teach ethic bs, i mean, there are very clear ethics in our profession, but you're absolutely right when you're dealing with somebody like jonathan, you are faced with conundrums and questions that you would never have considered. um, you know, i have a couple of questions before we'll take questions from you guys. what is -- i'm curious what the reception of the book's been like in south africa. >> i expected that i would really get slammed in the reviews because, you know, there's a pattern of people coming from outside south africa to tell the south african story and either to do the miracle story, you know? nelson mandela was the miracle leader of the exceptional place, the rainbow nation, etc., you know, we tell the story and sing "kumbaya", do a little dance. [laughter] one version. and the other version is it's all crap, right? it was all soiled and terrible trick that the nc played. and so i kind of figured i would get pegged as one or the other. rhea milan said i seemed to be immune to pessi