i also wanted to reemphasis that the ethics commission bylaws requires that the ethics commission comply with the sunshine ordinance and because the sunshine ordinance is broolgd access it why the attorney-client section is in there so that the city attorney and the deputy city attorney can't give the city employees assistance and withholding public information or records and if that if the public isn't able to evaluate that we can't see what kind of advise the city attorney t is giving you on open records this isn't related to things that are privileged so if upper to find that this privilege is being sections out by the ethics commission you don't didn't have to abide by the attorney-client then you would be violating our own bylaws that requires meetings that are not only san francisco laws but under the california public records act. thank you >> hello. my name is michael i'm a gay bloggerer and a person with aids i'm wearing a button that says science equals death it's the aids years of the 1980s to the office of silence equals death we need a lot more sunshine in city government an

is there ethical struggles? is there ethical dilemmas that a young muslim has to go through in trying to realize- in this case his- his own proper patterns of action? what's the good life for him? now, to some extent, this happens in all cultures, because he's a young person trying to make sense of life. but what akmad- who we interviewed- what he brings out is that even within islam- i mean, you may be well familiar with this- but even within islam in egypt, there is major conflicts. and to put a little bit of a background on it, when we were in egypt, there were very, very few tourists there because not shortly before, the tourists in luxor had been mowed down by machine guns. and what's fueling this, of course, is the quest by fundamentalist, traditionalist muslims to overthrew what they perceive as the secular regime of mombaric. and more and more, akmad, this young person, is feeling that pressure- the pressure of the old, the old traditional, those very rigid ethical patterns of action that come out and ar

, the sunshine ordinance task force and pretty much ethics are basically supposed to be about openness. and yet this is all about shrieky keeping documents secret. you know the civil grand jury said this was a slooech watchful dog they got it wrong the watchful dog is awake but not guarding openness. since all the actions by mr. syncountry before and after the sunshine process and in the litigation were taken without this commission first 30 years his actions. following the requirements of the brown act and sunshine. in properly agendized meetings whether an open or closed session is legal effect even if the court of appeals decided in favor of the commission would be questionable at best. the sunshine contingent will certainly pursue that matter and all of this could have been avoid in mr. syncountry had submit his files before the lawsuit was begun i'll ask you to discuss this matter openly and not go into closed session. thank you. >> good evening, commissioners. my name is headline district attorney and three years ago, i served on a civil grand jury committee that recorded on this

i would hope you would do your due diligence our committee recorded that your performance as an ethics commission body was under overwhelming and nothing has changed. thank you >> good evening commissioners again hope johnson i also want to emphasize that if materials were distributed to you for the closed session that they would not be privileged because this is about the closed session you're going into is related to public access laws and the sunshine ordinance so again, they would fail under the same section of the sunshine ordinance that makes the public access not attorney-client privilege so i don't know if you have my materials distributed to you, we should have access to. along the same vein the court action itself is about the ethics regulations for handling the sunshine referrals and complaints and pretty much the ethics commission entire process about that has been somewhat closed. during my time on the at the desk we tried to work with you we were grateful you asked for our opinion it took us a long time to get back to you but we had to carry everything in the open session

the ethics commission. public comment on agenda item 4 concluding whether to meet in closed session. >> since this is a first public hearing on those two cases i have no way of knowing how much you know about them unless upper given information of either by mr. syncountry or by the city attorney. i wouldn't touch right now the issue of asking for the material provide by the city attorney but i do think that any material you've got from mr. syncountry must be available to the public which this notice and agenda were published that's right in the law. on the assumption you know something about it i'll go ahead. the attorney-client belongs to the client that's you. doesn't belong to mr. syncountry. there are 24 public records that he refused ultimately to disobey close 4 are disclosed once the lawsuit was filed. at the task force hearings he said when asked have you can you describe the records and mr. syncountry said i haven't read the records and these i haven't counted them okay. so he u serpd your job you

i think we've had a lot of issues with ethics.hink the more communication with ethics to determine the needs in order to go forward with complaints from us. it's discouraging to get something that we worked and it's gone for the main task force and goes to subcommittee, then we refer it to ethics and they send it right back to us. it becomes a circular conversation. it becomes a circular kind of like this wheel that gets no results. so, everyone, the member of the public leaves discouraged and then we are discouraged as well. so, i think something has to be done there. i think one thing that is also really helpful, the sunshine task force can be streamlined before it come to the task force. things of jurisdiction, of that sort, if we could figure out a way to work these out before, they wouldn't get to the full task force, [speaker not understood]. it would ensure members of the public are still being heard but in a smarter way. this in turn will try to change the reputation and perception of the sunshine task force. [speaker not

people need to understand and do the due diligence and have a code of ethics in my opinion. it has been a great revelation to me after all these many years of writing books about this region or at my ring people who do the work, to see people from not around here who have just discovered and think is interesting, to write articles that that great play because they are in new york that happened -- take an image and present it as their own image. that is todd to me. one of the greatest gift i ever got was working on the devil's -- sean "the devil highway" and having to find a way into the u.s. border patrol. the unlikely partnership. you going to mexico and people know as little about u.s. people in iowa city. when i was feeling a middle spunky, i said if we are born in mexico we don't have an immigration bland that kicks off at 13 and pumps for months to tell us how to get across the border, that doesn't happen. this is a learning process, necessity, complex issues, people in mexico don't have any i.d. and it has been a great gift to me and i pass it to the true scholars here

we have to look at what the ethical requirements are here. and relating to disclosure and just call the balls and strikes as we see them. and was it done or wasn't it? >> and i think that is a fair point and i would say that to me the flip side is you are right it is not a matter of whether we will be subject to litigation, but the reason for that. and if, you know, to me, if we don't have the proper party, that is the balls and strikes issue. and i think that we ignore the balls and strikes if we don't address it and look past it and because we think that, you know, as but that is a procedural issue not a subnative one. >> if i may just to address your earlier comment, i apologize if i, confused people with the response to a question. and what i intended to layout and what i thought that i had layed out and what is laid out in the record, was that we all have these conversations that you are discussing, and that both the balancing test and the flip side of it were factors that went into the decision making and i am not sure where i got wires

hartz. >> members of the ethics commission, as mr. pilpal, has appeared in behalf of the defense i would like to make a couple of things clear, a department head like it or not is responsible for anything wrongful that happens in his department and yes he can sit there but mr. ginsburg got notice, and he knows that this is going on, he decided, or told somebody else who decided who to send here to answer on his behalf. and if they are unable to answer those questions, sufficiently that again is his responsibility. the bottom line if you are in command in an organization, you are responsible, period, whether you like it or not. and to say otherwise, is dishonest. now i would say one thing to the members of the ethics commission, mr. pilpal while a member of the sunshine ordinance task force, often comes to meetings like this, saying that is he a member and then, under cutting the decisions of the task force, about matters with which he disagreed during the initial discussion. and i would suggest that you look at the decision and issued

during my time on the board i'm proud to have passed several pieces of ethics ordinances that require online reporting of lobbying activities, require the electronic filing of campaign statements, and updates to our city conflict of interest codes. but in my second term i have a much stronger sense of how influence impacts important and lucrative decisions in our 7 billion plus budget. i have 26,000 employee base that we have making decisions every day about how we use public dollars. i regularly hear from constituents concerned about governmental transparency. this legislation is designed to increase public confidence in the everyday workings of our local government, shining a brighter light will lead to better and more open decisions by city officials. and while our proposals will effect certain activities such as lobbying and permit expediting, i want to make it very clear that we are not saying with our legislation that these activities cannot or should not occur. we are simply saying that it's important for the public to know when they do occur that there be transparency. as supr

i also have actually on the center for ethical solutions there's an article and a book i wrote on atdeath. so, that question has come up. and so far, really, the issue is when do you ask, really? that's really what it comes down to. we're pretty sure when someone is dead. that is a debated issue. again, if you're using living donors, you don't have a problem. i had a couple people in iran tell me, i was just flabbergasted. now they're starting to have the option of having deceased organs so they can be on both lists, and often people take whichever comes first, which usually is the living donor. a had a couple people tell me i would never take a deceased organ. i said, why? because i can't look the person in the eye and make sure they're okay with it. i thought that was very interesting. if you have a living donor you can look them in the eye and see if they're okay with it. that brings up another point, which is kind of interesting. the charities that do the organ matching, it's kind of like open adoption. 50% of the iranians would want to know their donor or their recipient, and th

the third silent secret is ethics. i know that everyone is saying, here is an american politician, talking about ethics. they do nothing but create special prosecutors and committees. they are always trying to find out what is right and what is wrong. it is really very simple. there is a rule for what is right and what is wrong. it is called the golden rule. treat people like you would like to be treated. i was in business for 33 years. i know a lot of people who made a lot of money and i know a lot who lost it. the difference between the ones who made it and kept it and the ones who lost it -- the ones who kept it knew that life was a win-win game. they knew if you left something on a table for the other guy, they would come back and do business with you. if you had to have the last dime, you might get it once, but never a second time. my favorite author, mark twain, once said it best. when confronted with a difficult decision, do what is right. you'll astound a few and amaze the rest. we all have the same voice in th

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during my time on the board i'm proud to have passed several pieces of ethics ordinances that require online reporting of lobbying activities, require the electronic filing of campaign statements, and updates to our city conflict of interest codes. but in my second term i have a much stronger sense of how influence impacts important and lucrative decisions in our 7 billion plus budget. i have 26,000 employee base that we have making decisions every day about how we use public dollars. i regularly hear from constituents concerned about governmental transparency. this legislation is designed to increapu

>> if it is the proper that the conclusion was that the proper respondent was not referred to the ethics commission. >> and i mean that you could say, make a referral that the ethics commission believes that there was a non-willful violation, but improper respondent was named in the referral and so we are sending it back and it is up to them if they want to rerefer it. >> unless someone has a question. >> i am of the chapter three, and i mean, that it says that if the commission determines that there is insufficient evidence to establish that the respondent has committed a violation the commission shall publicly announce this back and announce and may not include the findings of fact and law and fact, and therefore, the commission will take no further action on the matter. but i don't think that there is anything that preincluding the commission from referring this back to the task force, to name who, and on name a respondent, and who they believe properly should be named for this, for the decision to not to disclose this information. >> and you are telling the task force that they can't

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a ph.d in ethics. >> then you can sue them.ke veterans take an oath to defend the constitution. they violate the constitution on a daily basis. doctors take an oath to save people except cannabis can cure cancer but they don't say anything. lawyers can sue ron santo and shut them down for poisoning and genocide around the world but they don't do that. >> very interesting. is anybody else was a question related to my book? >> how are you doing? my first question is about, about david. do you have empirical data in the book pertaining to the fact that the. [inaudible] i know we do know that, and also some other studies but i need specific to your book. is anything like empirical data? >> i interviewed 216 people, and some of those interviews were with the doctors and the ngos that did the brokering, but 50 of them were actually kidney sellers, and another 40 or so were recipients and then the were a bunch of dialysis patients as well. but one thing is that if you have people who need kidneys who aren't getting them, where would t

what is the ethical use? the ethical use of a knife or a drone for remote control. it's something that they must figure out. >> it sounds like the future is here. a japanese astronaut said good-bye to a colleague today. a robot. a robot friend named kirobo the robot is the first talking humanoid in space it's programmed to process questions and answer by using words in its vocabulary the astronaut is ending his mission aboard the international space station and apologized for not taking kirobo back home with him kirobo returns home in 6 months the 2 promised to talk again then 2001 space odyssey today. >>> up next more on the mine disaster in turkey. to rescue those deep in the mine. and debbie's story she watched as her father and brother were murdered by boko haram now, this courageous girl is on capitol hill hoping her words will make a difference >>> welcome back to al jazeera america i'm john seigenthaler in new york we've got a lot to cover this half hour we want to check back in an breaking story out of turkey. a coleman discover has killed 151 workers, and t

and after many months of work i do hope that we can move forward with some reform of ethics and lobbying laws on to our colleagues at the full board. before i go over the changes that we have made to the ordinance in recent months, i want to take a moment to first thank our city attorney dennis herrera for his dogged work on this legislation and congratulate him and his office for recently securing the largest municipal legal settlement of lobbyist enforcement action recently. he has shown we can enforce our lobbying laws. i also want to take a moment and thank the extensive work of his very able deputy city attorneys, joshua white, andrew chin, lee, jon givner, and alley fisher who have been working with my office on these issues for quite sometime. in recent months my office has heard from nonprofit leaders, attorneys, ethics advocates, permit expediters and many others and again i want to thank you for the extensive input you have all helped to improve our legislation. and finally, i want to be clear that there are several proposals that i have not included in this ordinance that we a

2014, will begin shortly. >> good afternoon and welcome to the regularly schedule meeting of the ethics san francisco, and we will begin by taking the roll call, smi, hayon. >> here. >> commissioner andrews? >> here. >> commissioner hene. >> here. >> we understand that commissioner renne is planning to attend and there he is. >> we will begin with public comments on the items appearing before the ethics commission. >> ray hartz, director of san francisco open government, just a little catch up here, i was in march visiting my family and left on march 5, and returned on march 25th and you can manl my surprise when i came back and i found out that you had schedule a

>> the city of san francisco sfgtv meeting of the san francisco ethics commission occurring april 28, 2014, will begin shortly. >> good afternoon and welcome to the regularly schedule meeting of the ethics commission of san francisco, and we will begin by taking the roll call, smi, hayon. >> here. >> commissioner andrews? >> here. >> commissioner hene. >> here. >> we understand that commissioner renne is planning to attend and there he is. >> we will begin with public comments on the items appearing before the ethics commission. >> ray hartz, director of san francisco open government, just a little catch up here, i was in march visiting my family and left on march 5, and returned on march 25th and you can manl my surprise when i came back and i found out that you had schedule a hearinging regarding a matter to which i was a party on the fifth after i was on the east coast and held the hearing the day before i returned on the 25th. what a coincidence. what a coincidence. but i will talk about that a middle bit more later. on march 24th, this commission held a hearing on a case to when

the ethics claimed at a special meeting of wednesday, may 28, 2014, in the matter of the case the notification made a determination that there's probable cause to building the following violations of the california government codes as incorporated by governmental consultation code and the respondent made them one violation of government code dot 3 subsection a-1 for failing to file a campaign statement by the required deadline of go october thit 2013 and violation for failing to file a campaign statement and 3 one violation of california government code subsection a for failing to file a campaign statement by the required deadline of july 31st, 2012, and four one violation of california government code subsection a for failing to file a campaign statement by the required deadline of january 31st, 2013, and 5 one violation of california government code subsection a for failing to file a campaign statement by the required deadline from july 31st, 2013, and of one violation of california government code subsection a for failing to file a campaign statement form 460 by the deadline of july 31st, 2

qaeda threat and given the ambiguity of the situation, i thought the correct operational, legal and ethical decision was, "all right, we'll do this one more time on a somewhat different framework." >> so that was a point where he

that is really important because, frankly, like the ethics commission, the sunshine task force has that same aspect and jurisdiction to be a watchdog, to be looking at everything that happens within the city. and i do think it's important -- when i first came on the task force there were the deputy city attorney did sit on almost all the committees. all the ones like compliance and amendments and rules and the ones that actually needed the help during those times. i do think that new appointees who are not familiar with the sunshine ordinance, that they take a certain amount of training before actually serving so that there be a period of time, that could be a number of weeks, a couple of months or what have you, but like everybody else in the city who must go through the -- kind of the exam of understanding what sunshine ordinance is, i think it's important even more for the task force members to understand what the process is and what they're there to be doing. and many time over the years i found certain appointees not being familiar enough and that learning curve being too high for

listen to this. >> i didn't think it rose to a level of having to go to an ethics officer for it. not at the time. >> you were aware there were legislative hearings on this issue. >> i was, yes. >> and notwithstanding fft that there were legislative hearings on this issue, bridget kelly asks you to delete an e-mail from your own personal e-mail account, you delete it, preserve it somewhere else, but you don't think it rises to the level to talk to somebody. >> i didn't, no. >> now, she did delete it, but she forwarded it to her personal account, but never went to an ethics committee and i mean, isn't this something that would get a conspirator or an investigator's eyebrows raised very high? >> of course it would. her explanation that she didn't think it would rise to that level is very lame. but she's a human being. she's not a perfect witness in the sense that she obviously transgresed into deleting an e-mail that was in effect a public record. but prosecutors don't expect perfect human beings and they're not going to be a perfect witness. at the end of the day, is fairly human.

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people question the ethics around scientific advancement for years. >> it is ethical to overcome humanave a better treatment for cancer, is that ethical? i mean, nobody debates that. >> yeah. any advice for me as i'm going down my path to longevity? >> you've got a very good shot, you know, 15 years from now getting the benefit of the full maturation of the biotechnology revolution. and that's just a bridge to nanotechnology and ultimately go out enough decades, being able to back up who you are and expand who you are. i think you're on a very good path to do that. >> ray. thank you, ray. an absolute pleasure. >>> everyone i've talked to is a latte or au lait? sunny or bubbly? cozy or cool? "meow" or "woof"? wheels or wheeeels? everything exactly the way you want it ...until boom, it's bedtime. your mattress isn't bliss: it's a battleground of thwarted desire. enter the all-new sleep number classic series. designed to let couples sleep together in individualized comfort. starting at just $699.99 for a queen mattress. he's the softy: his sleep number setting is 35. you're the rock: your

one of mymes to -- big things as ethics, i am an ethics professor. the people some of most ahead of this are like the navy, for example. i give them tons of credit. they have lethal autonomous robots. robots that do not need a human to pull the trigger. they are called smart minds. they register whether it is an enemy ship or not and then decide whether to blow it up. the navy has this problem. you can't put electricity through water. they have a hard time communicating with robots. they are creating ethical robots. are they going to succeed? i have no idea. i'm glad somebody is working on it. >> some of these things, i assume the website does not have everything they are working on -- >> you'd be amazed. >> -- in the sense of the things they are creating. there are plenty of practical uses. for medicine and science in all these things that can help humanity. there is the other side of things where they may be creating molecules that they don't necessarily know exactly what it will turn into 30 years from now. how the body will react to it. what role

are considering him as being a potential defendant and you say, no you can't do that, because the ethics commission has already said that you didn't do anything wrong. >> so we don't have any record, that is the reason why we are saying in a sense, that you can't hold mr. ginsburg, it is because the task force did not have a record. >> and so i think that that if you feel that there is an insufficient factual record before you about whether mr. ginsburg was responsible for this, non-willful violation and you could refer back for additional factual development. >> mr. hayon. >> what is the penalty, once whomever we determine to be the respondent here, what is, you know, what is the penalty for the violation? >> willful or otherwise? >> no penalty, for a non-willful violation. >> so then, you know, in terms of that, what difference because it make? it does not make any difference at all and i do agree with the idea that whoever is the head of the department is responsible for whatever takes place at the department. and in the sense of the buck stops here. but, while i have the floor i just

what he said was ethics and a commitment to get to the truth. we still do not know what nancy pelosi is going to do at this point. you know they've been saying this is politicizing this horrible attack and they want six and six. why didn't you go six and six, republican/democrats as opposed to seven, five. he was coy on that and had -- he said, look, the house has a majority, bottom line. this committee should have a majority. i asked him if clinton is going to get subpoenaed. then we went into other subjects, talking about tax reform, the economy and lois lerner. what happens now that she has been in contempt of congress? >> i think we have a preview, a tease. >> you whetted our appetite. >> i'm sorry. >> i'm getting all wound up. >> this is from the interview you'll see next hour, maria with the speaker ever the house. >> i tried to find people who had worked on this investigation and others who, frankly, had not. but bright, energetic. and people committed to getting to the facts. this is a serious investigation. i don't want theater. i don't

a lot of ethical consequence. let's talk -- questions. let's talk about what is going op. we are seeing increases in multiple birth because of fertility treatments. what are the consequences? >> first, women are waiting longer to have babies. single mums are not sure mr right is coming ahopping, so they turn to fertility. premature babies cost money - $26 million, driven by multiple berths. another problem. you have more premature births, more disability in the kids. we don't like to talk about it, because it's great to have kids and for infertile couples, it's a miracle. >> this is happening because fertility treatments increase the likely hoods of that happening and ipp vitro, because it costs so much funny and is rarely covered by insurance, that parents have multiple embryos implanted more often than not. they want to make sure that some embryo takes, and they have more implanted, and that end up resulting in more twins and triplets and bigger multiple births. >> that's right. you come m and may be -- come in and may be told your insurance doesn't cover the treatment.

we've been talking about the ethical dimension and literally wrestling- well, i don't know if anyone was wrestling back there, maybe just about to- but i think we've got a sense of how difficult it is to discuss ethical challenges even in a very civilized setting like this. you can imagine what happens in a less than civilized situation because it's just very frustrating when you have so many visions of what proper patterns of action are.

2014, will begin shortly. >> good afternoon and welcome to the regularly schedule meeting of the ethicsof san francisco, and we will begin by taking the roll call, smi, hayon. >> here. >> commissioner andrews? >> here. >> commissioner hene. >> here. >> we understand that commissioner renne is planning to attend and there