they've also released in the second circuit the grand jury testimony of julius and ethyl rosenberg and with hoffa in tennessee, and they're doing it on the basis of historical importance. the judge has the authority when he thinks necessary and appropriate for appropriate reasons can do it. alan said historical reasons are justification. i said, well, this strikes me as a pretty good historical reason. i got stanley cutler who had done this successfully with the tapes, and he got several other historical societies. i filed a declaration, but the best news alan gave me is that i think that public citizen, the group that nader started, the litigation group years ago, might be interested in this case. sure enough, they were. >> i want to tell you something else about the taepz that's very interesting. you can think of your next question while i'm doing this. i was surprised to find theoretically all of the private information that's removed from the tapes. anything that's personal to the family, his conversations with private friend like beebee on something totally unrelated to government

. >> and my grandmother ethyl. >> yes. shirley how old are you in >> i'm 23.hers are going to drop him like nobody's business. >> yeah. >> if he loses today and then gets indicted as well, there go all of his rich friends. >> either one of those things will lose these boys. >> yeah, exactly. something for you, jim, there is a naughty image here. madonna has pissed off the french again. she slapped swastika on the face of a french leader -- >> oh, boy. >> she pledged to reform the parties ways after taking over for her father who is also a holocaust denier. >> oh, dear. >> she said we understand how old singers who need to get people talking about them go to such extremes. >> woe. [ fighting cats ] >> that was her response? >> yeah. >> she is getting very chatty at these concerts. stop with the chatty more into the groove. papa don't preach is really the only reason i'm here. and please act it out like you did in the video. don't just stand there. [ nbc "nightly news" theme ] >> all right. trial is expected to open monday against kevin costner. the lawsuit clai