brian: what is the difference between eugene allen and skip alan? kate: skip alan is an usher. 's younger than eugene. he worked there for decades and decades. as an usher, he is more of in a management position. he was in charge of the housekeeping shop and the curator's shop. they are in a completely different position. they don't see the residents as much as the butler's. the butler's have the real intimate work. there are six butler's who rotate on the floor and see everything. those are the hardest to talk to, because they are very careful about what they say. brian: three of your presidents how do you ask this, show up on occasion nude. those three would be johnson kennedy, and reagan. would you tell a story about each one? kate: johnson was probably the strangest character in the white house. he would often conduct business on the toilet. he was obsessed with the shower and the water pressure. i had seen that reported before. i interviewed the head plumber's widow and she said her husband had a nervous breakdown about the shower and was hospitalized for several days. one