and eugene o'donnell, professor of law and police study an jot jay college of criminal study and a former police officer. jim, what do you make of the state of the evidence as we have it now? >> i think there's more to be learned about the argument that resulted in 14 people being shot. normally you're not arguing with 14 people. so it's going to be something deeper than that. why this happened as it did, maybe there's some animosity, some revenge. there's suicide here, and if you want to look for the answers in suicide, often you have to look to humiliation. so we'll see. i've had cases as a cop, and i'm sure your other guest has as well, where a person gets in a fight with someone in a tavern or a bar and he shoots the person he's arguing with and shoots other people as well. that happens sometimes. but 14 people is an awful lot of people. so i think there's something else that the military is going to learn or tell us when the u.s. army criminal investigation division and all the agencies collectively will help them. the sheriff's department, state troopers, to get the answers. >> euge

and eugene o'donnell, professor of law and police study an jot jay college of criminal study and a former police officer. jim, what do you make of the state of the evidence as we have it now? >> i think there's more to be learned about the argument that resulted in 14 people being shot. normally you're not arguing with 14 people. so it's going to be something deeper than that. why this happened as it did, maybe there's some animosity, some revenge. there's suicide here, and if you want to look for the answers in suicide, often you have to look to humiliation. so we'll see. i've had cases as a cop, and i'm sure your other guest has as well, where a person gets in a fight with someone in a tavern or a bar and he shoots the person he's arguing with and shoots other people as well. that happens sometimes. but 14 people is an awful lot of people. so i think there's something else that the military is going to learn or tell us when the u.s. army criminal investigation division and all the agencies collectively will help them. the sheriff's department, state troopers, to get the answers. >> euge

and eugene o'donnell, professor of law and police study an jot jay college of criminal study and a former police officer. jim, what do you make of the state of the evidence as we have it now? >> i think there's more to be learned about the argument that resulted in 14 people being shot. normally you're not arguing with 14 people. so it's going to be something deeper than that. why this happened as it did, maybe there's some animosity, some revenge. there's suicide here, and if you want to look for the answers in suicide, often you have to look to humiliation. so we'll see. i've had cases as a cop, and i'm sure your other guest has as well, where a person gets in a fight with someone in a tavern or a bar and he shoots the person he's arguing with and shoots other people as well. that happens sometimes. but 14 people is an awful lot of people. so i think there's something else that the military is going to learn or tell us when the u.s. army criminal investigation division and all the agencies collectively will help them. the sheriff's department, state troopers, to get the answers. >> euge

and eugene o'donnell, thank you for joining us tonight. >>> tough guys.ll." >>> good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start tonight with this bucket of goo coming out of the chris christie report. all those pristine claims of good government, forget about it. that big fat denial that there was a political motive behind the george washington bridge closure, that there was no evidence of partisan bullying or big shot payback, that too. forget about it. because guess what? buried right there in that christie legal report is just what you figured was buried in the story itself, muscle. tough guy talk.

>> joining me now is the piston albuquerque city council ken sanchez and eugene o'donnell, former newty police officer and a professor of law and police study at john jay college of criminal justice. mr. sanchez, the police chief in albuquerque first said that the shooting was completely justified. three days later, he said he regrets saying that the shooting was justified. he had access to that video all along showing that man being shot in the back and came out and said, first of all, his first reaction was, it was completely justified. >> i was totally shocked and alarmed by these statements that the chief made when he made the statements when he said the shooting was justified. the people across the country and in albuquerque, it was extremely disturbing to see what occurred. and for the chief to make those comments, and he's a new chief to the albuquerque police department, he just recently got appointed. i think it's unfortunate that you don't review the evidence that occurred, and in looking at the tape, i think we've got a horrific scene here in albuquerque that needs to be in

and eugene o'donnell, thank you for joining us tonight. >>> tough guys. let's play "hardball." >>> good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start tonight with this bucket of goo coming out of the chris christie report. all those pristine claims of good government, forget about it. that big fat denial that there was a political motive behind the george washington bridge closure, that there was no evidence of partisan bullying or big shot payback, that too. forget about it. because guess what? buried right there in that christie legal report is just what you figured was buried in the story itself, muscle. tough guy talk. a hard orchestrated push for reelection endorsements and talk of revenge. first there was that list of mayors specifically targeted to back his second christie term in trenton. and yes, again there was brutal talk of payback for those who didn't get in line. i could claw his eyes out, pour gasoline in his sockets and light him up. and that was for the governor's appointee on the commission. as for the mayors who didn't come ac

. >> ken sanchez, thank you for joining us tonight and eugene o'donnell. >> thanks for having me. >> chris hayes is up next. >>> good evening from new york. i'm steve kornacki in for chris hayes tonight. today, president obama went before a cheering crowd of lawmakers and supporters in the white house rose garden and he declared a victory in what has been and continues to be a very long battle over the affordable care act. >> last night, the first open enrollment period under this law came to an end. 7.1 million americans have now signed up for private insurance plans through these marketplaces. 7.1 million. 7.1 million. that's on top of the more than 3 million young adults who've gained insurance under this law by staying on their family's plan. that's on top of the millions more who've gained access through medicaid expansion and the children's health insurance program. >> 7 million enrollees was a landmark worth celebrating for the white house. there was actually a celebration that began last night when the u.s. chief technology officer todd park rang in the midnight deadline outs