. >> joining me is now is eugene o'donnell, he is a professor of law and police studies at john j. of criminal justice and marquez claxton a retired new york city police detective and now a director of the black law enforcement alliance. let me go to you, mark, first. all this week also in milwaukee a policeman acquitted. no convictions of police. we struggle and you know from back in the day when you were on the force i was one of those beginning these last rounds of struggles around police accountability that we had to first struggle to even get into a court. now we are in court and you are not seeing convictions, but people forget that we weren't even getting trials a few years ago. we had to march to get even zimmermann in the trayvon martin case a trial to see what a jury was going to say even though he was a make believe cop in his own mind, but it just brings to mind this has been a process that has always had an uphill struggle. >> yeah, i think it's part of this ongoing process as we make the calls and people around the nation are making calls for overall criminal justice