do eugene scalia, usually a pretty smart guy, secretary of labor like, he is like very, lawyerly, welld him on december 14th that was the end of the process. it's all garbage! it's all made up! [laughs] please call on me, everybody constantly having to indulge this -- on december 14th -- it was done, he lost! it's a ludicrous set of all these people -- bill barr, eugene scalia everyone taking it seriously, for cassidy hutchinson just saying once the fraud thing didn't work out -- it's about keeping him in office. obviously! didn't they have to know that? >> there were never real arguments. >> and whenever real arguments are real factual predicaments to all of this. we've had so much testimony, i think it's all truthful testimony to the mountains of labor that is churning in these five weeks afterward. >> it's not a real argument, there's not a factual basis for him staying in power, it's a pretext. just to see if they can help him support the pretext. >> that's my question. were they -- what did they tell themselves they were doing about all these pretextual efforts? >> they were letti

listen to what we heard about that tension from passive bologna, from general mark milly, and eugene scalia, who was the secretary of labor. and then after that, some people were residing obviously over january 60 day they were. did i consider it? yes. did i do it? oh, discerned about it. people in the counselor's office? well, who would replace me and i had some concern so it might be somebody who had been giving bad advice on the morning of the decision i arrived at was that the most constructive thing i could think of was to see could be the cat. you know, i thought of dad trying to work with ministration to stay the ship was likely to have greater value then assembly resigned. after which point it would have been powerless to a demonstration chief. got there should be that meeting, you know, why not? we're not, i don't remember why. i think it probably i think these marks out the president. yeah. yeah. but things like that. there was a couple of calls where the meadows of more meadows out of the president like i say, how the president doing metal would say, well he's going to really gos

labor secretary under president trump, eugene scalia. plus, we have florida attorney general ashley moody on what florida is doing to protect its own borders as migrants flood our southern border. but first, president biden is moving forward with talks about rolling back trump era tariffs on china to help bring down inflation, a very controversial topic. fox business white house correspondent edward lawrence has the latest. ed. >> reporter: yeah, i can tell you that he is going to meet with his advisers i've learned from a source this afternoon about those tariffs. i can tell you the u.s. trade representative will not be in those meetings. she's in van siewfer, if you look at her public schedule. this is a meeting among advisers. now, the white house press secretary says that the tariffs the that trump imposed on china were not focused. there is talk of removing tariffs op on $10 billion of chinese imports. >> well, you've got to ask president biden why he's easy on china, hard on america, why he's got an open border, you know, what's hi

let's know what we heard about that tension from pat cipollone from eugene scalia who was the secretary of labor. >> and then after that some people were resigning obviously over january six. we know who they were. did i considerate? yes, did i do? it no. i was concerned that if people in the counsel's office left, who would replace me and i had some concern that it might be somebody who had been getting bad advice. >> the decision i arrived at was that the most destructive thing that i could do was to seek a meeting of the cabinet. i wanted to work within the administration to studies the ship and i thought that would have greater value than simply resigning after which point i would've been powerless to affect things within the administration. >> do you think you should be in a cabin in? even >> i don't remember why. i think it had somebody something to do with how the president might react, and things like that. >> there were a couple of calls where meadows -- how the president doing. pompeo would say. how is the president? doing and meadows would say, well he's in a really dark plac

eugene scalia, trump's former labor secretary, who reportedly was part of cabinet conversations to invoke the 25th amendment. and wednesday night at the reagan library in california, cheney using the work of the committee to make the case that it is time for the party to move past trump. >> to the little girls and young women who are watching tonight, these days for the most part men are running the world. and it is really not going that well. >> on that note, let's bring in a man who knows quite a bit here. cnn presidential historian, tim, so nice to see you this morning. help us out and pull back here. where are we when it comes to this january 6 investigation and these hearings? we learned a lot of new information despite i think a lot of people going into these hearings sort of skeptical about what exactly was going to be new. we've learned a lot, but they are about to go on this hiatus after having so much momentum. where are we? >> well, good morning, first of all. cassidy hutchinson's testimony was a game changer because that testimony brought us inside the white house. for those w

let's know what we heard about that tension from pat cipollone from eugene scalia who was the secretary. >> and then after that some people were resigning obviously over january six. we know who they were. did i considerate? yes, did i do? it no. i was concerned that if people in the counsel's office left, who would replace me and i had some concern that it might be somebody who had been getting bad advice. >> the decision i arrived at was that the most destructive thing that i could do was to seek a meeting of the cabinet. i wanted to work within the administration to studies the ship and i thought that would have greater value than simply resigning after which point i would've been powerless to affect things within the administration. >> do you think you should be in a cabin in? even >> i don't remember why. i think it had somebody something to do with how the president might react, and things like that. >> there were a couple of calls where meadows -- how the president doing. pompeo would say. how is the president? doing and meadows would say, well he's in a really dark place. like h

eugene scalia mentioned talking about the president meeting to meet with the cabinet. i think that was, kind of, a wave of threats for them. there is a lot more to go. >> so, it is interesting, adams, because you have now seen the sort of, floodgate open for a lot of folks to come forward and want to speak to the committees. it has been about a year since the committee started its investigation, and a lot of those officials you meet recently met with our negotiating to meet with this. were any of them previously reluctant to sit for an interview? could you attribute their, how should we say, recent willingness to cooperate with the committee as a sign that the committee is opening up some cans that they want to make sure they have under control? or at least some say in? >> i think it is a good way to put it. i think it is that. i think it is now the committee is actually being taken seriously. for the last, whatever, nine or ten months, it was really developing the investigations. it did not really have much of a public face. you, know it was written off by a lot of pe

last thursday in our hearing or maybe i guess a week ago now, you know, we put out that letter by eugene scalia where he was basically to the president saying you need to speak to the cabinet. you need to come in front of the cabinet. that to me -- and this is just my opinion. this isn't from anything else besides my opinion. that to me was sourt of a warnig that you need to come and talk to the cabinet because we could invoke the 25th amendment because you have to come up in front of us. so i always thought that was pretty interesting. didn't get a ton of attention but it's certainly something worth looking at. >> kevin mccarthy was asked about conversations on january 6th between him and cassidy hutchinson. obviously she testified under oath. he said he didn't remember them. he denies watching the former president's speech at the rally that day. what do you make of those comments? >> i don't trust a thing kevin mccarthy says. i'll be honest with you. sometime about year or two ago he made the decision that his only goal is to become speaker of the house, and he'll do whatever he has to do. he

they've also spoken to eugene scalia, bill barr, jeffrey rosen, and the former treasury secretary stevmnuchin. that's new reporting that we were able to confirm today. many of these players could provide the committee information is about those conversations related to the 25th amendment. we know that was an active conversation in the days after january 6th. marc short, the former chief of staff to mike pence, said today on our air that those conversations never really went that far because there wasn't enough time to physically remove the former president from office. there was a weaker select in his administration by that point. but we also know the committee still reaching out to others, including the former director of national intelligence, john ratcliffe, who could be a key player in all this. radcliffe is someone that there was pressure being put on radcliffe from members of the house of representatives, scott perry, in particular to look into the activations of foreign interference in the election, that was not based in any evidence. and that they've also engaged with the former actin

and also the then-labor secretary eugene scalia. we know they talked to cabinet secretaries. they could have talked to cabinet secretaries we don't even know about yet. this also shows us while the department of justice obviously expanding their investigation, the january 6th select committee is far from being finished. >> what about cassidy hutchinson? we know about the access she had during her time in the white house. how valuable a witness could she be for the justice department's investigation? the -- some of what she said was based on -- was hearsay, was things she had overheard other people say. >> it's a great point, anderson. and all we know about her engagement with the department of justice right now is that she's cooperating. we don't know if she sat for an interview yet, if she appeared before the grand jury. but what we've seen her testify to under oath certainly serves as a roadmap for department of justice investigators. and it also could lead them to other potential witnesses that they could bring in and ask questions to and the subpoena power of the doj is a

of course, the acting attorney general, jeff rosen, and also, that then labor secretary, eugene scalia. we know they talk to cabinet secretaries. they could've talked to cabinet secretaries that we don't even know about yet. but this also shows us, anderson, while the department of justice obviously expanding their investigation, the january 6th select committee is far from being finished. >> what about cassidy hutchinson? i mean, we know about the access she had during her time in the white house. the insight she has provided to the house select committee already. how valuable a witness gucci before the justice department's investigation? some of what's she said was based on hearsay, things she had overheard other people say. >> it's a great point, anderson. all we know about her engagement with the department of justice right now is that she is cooperating. we don't know she sat for an interview that, if she has appeared before the grand jury. to your point, just what we have seen her already testify to in a public setting under oath to the january 6th select committee, certainly ser

i mean, eugene scalia, the leader secretary, trying to call a cabinet meeting. and the president rejecting that, and all of this people knew that the president's calls to the senator and with the was doing and from where and from what they know -- i mean, a lot of those things were revealed. bottom line, the last primetime hearing is that trump wanted the attack to happen and hoped it would work. and if that does not lead you to being part of seditious conspiracy, well, what's well? much more ahead on our special coverage in the generous expiring. stay with us. >> what explains president trump's behavior? why did not take immediate action in the time of crisis? because president trump's plan for january 6th was to halt or delay congress's official proceeding to count the votes. the count around to an absolute halt, and was ultimately delayed for hours. the mob was accomplishing president trump's purpose. so, of course, he didn't intervene. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ and looking to buy life insurance on a fixed budget, remember the three ps. what are the three ps? the three ps

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